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To: adiaireton8
First, I don't see how your statement in #7 about the Jews avoids Marcionism.

Did I say I believe it? I don't.

Second, your statement in #7 about Allah implies that you think that JPII and the Church are wrong on this point, and yet you seem to be dancing around Gamecock's question and trying to avoid coming right and saying, "Yes, I think that JPII and the Church" are wrong on this point." If you think JPII and the Church are wrong on this point, then why the hesistancy to acknowledge that?

Because nothing that has been quoted from JPII or "The Church" is dogmatic teaching. Vatican II was a pastoral council.

30 posted on 05/10/2007 1:23:35 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480
Did I say I believe it? I don't.

So now you *did* in fact say what you meant in #7 about Christians and Jews not worshipping the same God, except you only forgot in #7 to provide the qualifier that you don't actually believe it? Ok. That makes hash of what you said in #24, and #28. The next time you say something that you don't believe, please add that qualifier ("I don't believe this"), so readers are not misled. If when you end up misleading readers either by saying something entirely different than you meant to say, or by saying something that you actually don't believe, but without adding that qualifier, please don't accuse your readers of trying to pick a fight with you when they start asking questions. Instead, take responsibility for your writing error.

If you think JPII and the Church are wrong on this point, then why the hesistancy to acknowledge that?

Because nothing that has been quoted from JPII or "The Church" is dogmatic teaching. Vatican II was a pastoral council.

That's a non sequitur. Just because it was not made "dogma" does not mean that it was not JPII's position, and is not the Church's position. (What is in the Catechism counts as being the Church's position.) And so if you disagree with it, it follows that you think that it is wrong. Therefore, logically, it follows that you think that on this point, JPII and the Church are wrong. So why not be forthright and say "Yes, I think JPII and the Church are wrong about this point."?

-A8

31 posted on 05/10/2007 1:39:27 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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