By the way, I don't many care a hoot what the GOP platform said at some convention, which gets no press coverage these days, and is totally ignored, and is a creation of the nominee. Hot convention debates about party platforms are long gone. They are an anachronism.
Just trying to be helpful.
I've looked at Spiff's graph, and also very closely at Giuliani's record. Looks exactly on the mark to me.
That really IS a helpful reply, Torie, but don't hold your breath, waiting for your suggestions to see fruition.
I've successfully defended each one of these items you brought up. It sounds like you want to argue semantics. I don't.
Gay Marriage: Giuliani authored, with the help of various gay advocates, the nation's most sweeping (at the time) domestic partnership/civil union legislation in NYC. He pushed it through the city council and signed it into law. He received awards and citations from the radical gay groups for enacting the legislation.
Additionally, Giuliani vocally opposed (and President Bush and the Republican Party Platform supported) the Marriage Amendment which would have kept states from being forced to recognize gay marriage. He did not state that he was against the amendment because of any sort of federalism issues. He just said that he was against it and that it wasn't something anyone should campaign on.
Through his entire term in office as Mayor, Rudy did the bidding of the radical gay groups. The same groups that advocate for gay marriage. He attended their meetings, accepted their awards for his work in furthering their agenda, dressed in drag at their fundraisers, marched in their parades, and accepted membership in their organizations. It is clear by his own policies, his own statements, and the peope and groups that he associates with and supports, that he supports gay marriage. Coming right out and saying "I support gay marriage" would be political suicide, so he denies it But his record proves otherwise.
Amnesty for illegal aliens: By disallowing his city officers to enforce immigration laws or even cooperate with the INS who desired to enforce immigration laws, Giuliani gave an amnesty to illegal aliens resident in his city. He has bragged about providing "normalization" to illegal aliens in his city as well as providing them benifits. Additionally, Giuliani stated his support for the Senate's amnesty legislation last year and has advocated for a path to citizenship for illegal aliens currently within our borders.
Gun confiscation: Giuliani confiscated more guns than any other current presidential candidate - to include the Democrats in the race. I posted an entire thread that detailed a press conference where he bragged about how many guns he had had confiscated while he was mayor. He clearly supports gun confiscation as he was one of the biggest gun grabbers in the country.
I agree that it would be more effective to some people if it had links to specific information for each item. But, for most items, that information is buried in articles, quotes, policies, press releases, and such on web sites that I don't control. If I have time, I may put up a web page with more specific info so that each item can have a link with somewhere to point. But, even then, it won't help some people. They refuse to accept just how oppositional Giuliani is to the Republican Party and how much he agrees with Hillary Clinton. They are in denial and steadfastly refuse to accept the truth.
By the way, I don't many care a hoot what the GOP platform said at some convention, which gets no press coverage these days, and is totally ignored, and is a creation of the nominee. Hot convention debates about party platforms are long gone. They are an anachronism.
You're wrong. The platform is drafted and voted on by the platform committee. I know some of the people who have served on that committee very recently. I know what kind of battles they've had over the language in that document. But you're right about one thing, the party leadership and too many candidates totally ignore what is supposed to be the guiding document of the party.