The Candidate (Rudy Giuliani in NH)

The American Spectator ^ | 1/29/2007 | Philip Klein

[Dark Skies]

Many skeptics continue to question whether Rudy Giuliani is serious about making a run for the White House, but it was abundantly clear on Saturday that he had come to Manchester for more than the sub-freezing temperatures.

Addressing over 500 activists at the New Hampshire Republican Party's annual meeting as part of a two-day swing through the state, Giuliani sketched the broad outlines of what looks like a presidential run. Sounding at times like a motivational speaker, Giuliani cautioned against cynicism and pessimism in the wake of November's election results and challenges in the ongoing War on Terror. The message especially resonated with the audience in this critical primary state, where the Republican Party just lost control of both chambers of the legislature for the first time since the 1870s.

"The best way we remain safe and we retain our freedom...is remaining on offense, remaining strong and not becoming weak in a time of pressure," Giuliani said in a line that drew the biggest applause from the crowd at the Palace Theater.

[onyx]

Can you read? Trace my posts if you're that interested.

[My GOP]

I know it won't. Its a shame, I like Jeb and think he would be a better President than his father or brother but as of right now, no more Bushes...........and for goodness sake no more Clintons!!!!

[Fierce Allegiance]

Good evening, kid. Buy you a 7-up? LOL

[nopardons]

Exactly so!

But the spammers WILL say ANYTHING and expect everyone to just accept it. That we refuse to do so, makes them react like a spoiled 2 year old. LOL

[Fierce Allegiance]

What in the chart is inaccurate?

[nopardons]

That I did! :-)

[My GOP]

Good evening. A 7 UP sounds good about now :)

[NapkinUser]

I swear Spiff, you must have forgotten to answer my question: how do you feel you are doing so far in saving the country and preventing abortion nation-wide?

I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but maybe Spiff doesn't want to dignify your retarded question with a response?

Look at how much attention as well as support Rudy is getting over their constant, repetitious attacks. I have seen many who weren't sure, decide that because the goon squad is against Rudy he must be a normal OK guy! They now support Rudy full speed.

I don't believe. Ping three of them to this thread, who have seen other members of FreeRepublic attacking Giuliani for his leftist positions and decided to back him. I want to see if you tell the truth.

[Dark Skies]

So just how is that Dunty Hunker guy doing in the polls?

He's doing Hunky Dory, of course!

[NapkinUser]

On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.

The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate

In the last couple of election cycles, 2nd Amendment issues have moved to the back burner mainly because even Democratic candidates have learned that being tagged with the "gun grabber" label is political poison.

Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban.

Do Republicans really want to abandon their strong 2nd Amendment stance by selecting a pro-gun control nominee?

Soft on Gay Marriage

Other than tax cuts, the biggest domestic issue of the 2004 election was President Bush's support of a Constitutional Amendment to define marriage as being between a man and a woman. Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani has taken a "Kerryesque" position on gay marriage.

Although Rudy, like John Kerry, has said that marriage should remain between a man and a woman, he also supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades" ...dressed up in drag on national television for a skit on Saturday Night Live (and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:

His thoughts on the gay-marriage amendment? "I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."

Here's more from the New York Daily News:

"Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani..."

Although Rudy may grudgingly say he doesn't support gay marriage (and it would be political suicide for him to do otherwise), where he really stands on the issue is an open question.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

[Sunsong]

Is abortion an important issue to you?

If it is - then how do you feel you are doing so far in preventing abortion nation-wide?

[Sunsong]

Oh look, a spammer...a basher...a trasher.

Btw, how do you feel you are doing so far in preventing abortion nation-wide and cracking down on evil homosexuals?

[PSYCHO-FREEP]

All of it. It is the product of Spammy's twisted mind and nothing more. I merely reflects his abnormal thought processes.

[Fierce Allegiance]

You said:

Fierce Allegiance
Do you read spam?
Of course posting the same on every thread is spamming.
67 posted on 01/29/2007 5:12:54 PM EST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: My GOP
Heck no! Post it on every thread. At least yours is original.
131 posted on 01/29/2007 5:59:06 PM EST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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In one post, you define spamming, as if it is a negative thing. In another, you are advoctaing it. Which way do you want to have it, or is there a double standard dependingon which camp is supported?

[areafiftyone]

They are here without fail. But you have to feed them because they get very cranky and stamp their feet!

[Fierce Allegiance]

That explains a lot.

[onyx]

You're obsessed with me! LOL-LOL-LOL

To: My GOP

"I did take some time and thought writing it and it is very accurate!"

And much appreciated by those of us tired of cut and paste spam.

101 posted on 01/29/2007 4:44:46 PM CST by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)

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[Spiff]

There were a lot of folks here on FR who opposed the Marriage Amendment as well, not because they favor gay marriage, but because they do not believe such a question should be federalized and placed into the U.S. Constitution. Are you accusing all those Freepers who opposed the Marriage Amendment for that reason as being pro-gay marriage? And this issue, as well, as others (gun control, abortion, as two examples) Giuliani does not believe should be federal issues, but determined by the states....a solid conservative perspective.

Yes, if you oppose the Marriage Amendment, then you supported gay marriage - FReeper or not. And the argument that it should not be a federal issue is specious. The intent of the Marriage Amendment was to keep it from becoming a federal issue when some federal judge interpreted the U.S Constitution to require states to recognize gay marriage against their will. The amendment ratification process is entirely constitutional and consistent with federalism and it empowers the states to decide for themselves in the face of judicial tyranny.

Arguing that Giuliani opposed the Marriage Amendment based upon federal issues is fallacious. I've not read anywhere where he states that his opposition was based upon an issue of federalism. All he said was that he questioned whether it was a good campaign issue for someone to run on and he questioned the timing of making it an election issue. You seem to want to ignore Giuliani's close association with and support for a number of radical gay organizations and that he was a champion of their causes.

Many here and elsewhere have defended Giuliani's "pro-choice" views, rationalizing that they are also based on abortion not being a federal issue, but a state issue. Again, Giuliani has not made that argument. In fact, in the case of a Partial Birth Abortion ban in his State of New York, he opposed that also [Disgusting.] when it had nothing to do with the federal government. You seem to also want to ignore Giuliani's close association with and support for militantly pro-abortion organizations and that he was a champion for their causes. In fact, NARAL awarded him with a "Champion of Choice" award.

Further, on the abortion issue, Giuliani does not support overturning Roe v. Wade. If he thinks issues such as abortion should be decided by the states, as you claimed, then he should support overturning Roe v. Wade and returning the abortion issue back to the states. Again, this is evidence that your contention that Giuliani's views are based upon certain issues being state issues, and not federal issues, is demonstrated to be a fallacy.

“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.” - Winston Churchill

[TommyDale]

Social liberal. That gets a ZERO rating here. Abortion, partial birth abortion, homosexual agenda, stem cell research, amnesty for illegals, gun grabbing. All issues that cost votes. He'll never survive the primaries, if he even decides to get into the race.

[Fierce Allegiance]