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The Candidate (Rudy Giuliani in NH)
The American Spectator ^ | 1/29/2007 | Philip Klein

Posted on 01/29/2007 1:36:27 PM PST by Dark Skies

Many skeptics continue to question whether Rudy Giuliani is serious about making a run for the White House, but it was abundantly clear on Saturday that he had come to Manchester for more than the sub-freezing temperatures.

Addressing over 500 activists at the New Hampshire Republican Party's annual meeting as part of a two-day swing through the state, Giuliani sketched the broad outlines of what looks like a presidential run. Sounding at times like a motivational speaker, Giuliani cautioned against cynicism and pessimism in the wake of November's election results and challenges in the ongoing War on Terror. The message especially resonated with the audience in this critical primary state, where the Republican Party just lost control of both chambers of the legislature for the first time since the 1870s.

"The best way we remain safe and we retain our freedom...is remaining on offense, remaining strong and not becoming weak in a time of pressure," Giuliani said in a line that drew the biggest applause from the crowd at the Palace Theater.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: doubletalkexpress; electionpresident; giuliani; giuliani2008; rudy
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To: Tarheel
The right to an abortion is currently the law.

It is not even the law. Congress did not pass a law making abortion legal at the federal level.

It was created through judicial usurpation and fiat.

in your vociferous defense of the unborn, to which you are entitled, I likewise am entitled to be concerned for the safety and security of our citizens, the defense of our borders and our Constitution. I never again want to see a disaster like 9-11 and will do all that I can to prevent it from happening.

If Rudy were the only guy running in the GOP who was pro-WOT, you might have a point here.

But he's not. My position is we can get someone who is more center-right who has a chance of both holding the party together AND drawing Reagan Dems back into the fold. The moonbats are gonna force the Dem nominee far to the left to win, so we can retake that ground. But only by giving the Reagan Dems ... someone more like Reagan than Rockefeller.

1,121 posted on 01/30/2007 12:45:34 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08 - rationalization not required, he IS a conservative already)
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To: Spiff

Spiffy heres your new party, its got everything you ever longed for:

"Vegetarian-AustrianEconomics Party"


1,122 posted on 01/30/2007 12:46:34 PM PST by JimFreedom (let's not let good be the enemy of perfect to our detriment. - Cable225)
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To: garv
Here are a few reasons why I think Rudy will be acceptable to the vast majority of conservatives:

Ready for Rudy
By Deroy Murdock
Published 9/26/2006 (EXCERPT)

….Is leadership enough? Do Giuliani's policies help or hinder his political future? Could he become the Great Right Hope in 2008? To paraphrase Frank Sinatra's "New York, New York": If he can make it there, can he make it anywhere?

TO GAUGE GIULIANI'S SUCCESS as mayor, and assess the skills he might muster as president, stroll for a moment through the junkyard he inherited when he entered City Hall on January 1, 1994.

Historian Fred Siegel's indispensable analysis of Giuliani's mayoralty, The Prince of the City, describes the holistic dysfunction that greeted Giuliani.

* New York City's jobless rate was 10.2 percent. The previous four years, Gotham lost 235 jobs-every day. Financial guru Felix Rohatyn complained, "virtually all human activities are taxed to the hilt."

* In 1993, 1,946 New Yorkers were murdered, down from a peak of 2,262 in 1990, but still a spectacular level of carnage. Social pathologies fueled disorder and lawlessness. Vagrants relieved themselves on trash-strewn sidewalks. Mental patients roamed the streets, and occasionally pushed commuters onto subway tracks. Some 1.32 million New Yorkers, one of six, were on welfare.

* In August 1991, an anti-Semitic pogrom erupted in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Street battles raged for days as Democratic Mayor David Dinkins failed to deploy cops. A young hoodlum named Lemrick Nelson fatally stabbed Australian rabbinical student Yankel Rosenbaum as a black mob yelled, "Get the Jew…."

Today, New York City thrives. Unemployment one month after 9/11 stood at 6.3 percent. Homicides had plummeted 65 percent, mainly in once-crime-infested black and Hispanic neighborhoods. Asked once what he had done for minorities, Giuliani responded: "They are alive, how about we start with that?"…

The city is visibly cleaner and more robust. Amazingly enough, Reader's Digest in June dubbed once-abrasive New York the world's politest city, a notch above placid, fastidious Zurich.

Gotham's path from chaos to courtesy closely parallels Giuliani's journey from freshly minted mayor to globally lauded leader. How did he do it?...

Giuliani, who considers himself a Reaganite, did so largely by applying conservative principles of tax reduction, fiscal responsibility, privatization, law and order, and colorblindness. He sounded Reaganesque as mayor-elect when he said to balance the city budget, "we have to increase the number of private-sector jobs." Central to this was "to reduce the size and cost of city government…."

On issue after issue, conservatives should hope what is past will be prologue.

Taxes

"The thing that probably disturbs me the most when I read the New York Times editorials, they've kind of turned around the whole idea of cutting taxes, and they make tax increases morally courageous," Giuliani said April 25. "I have no idea what is courageous about raising taxes. I understand it's courageous to run into a fire and take somebody out, but I can't figure out what's courageous about raising taxes. I don't understand why you would think that in an economy that's essentially a private economy, it makes more sense and is more efficient for the government to confiscate more of that money."

Giuliani was speaking that day to the Manhattan Institute, an influential think tank well regarded by conservatives and libertarians alike. Giuliani credits the organization and its quarterly magazine, City Journal, with inspiring many of his reforms.

Giuliani's tax record matches his rhetoric. He cut or eliminated 23 levies totaling $8 billion. He slashed municipal tax revenues' share of personal income by 18.9 percent and the top local income-tax rate by 21 percent. Spending

Giuliani's expenditure growth averaged 2.9 percent annually, while local inflation between January 1994 and December 2001 averaged 3.6 percent. His fiscal 1995 budget decreased outlays by 1.6 percent, while his post-9/11 fiscal 2002 plan lowered appropriations by 2.6 percent….

Bureaucracy

While hiring 12 percent more cops and 12.8 percent more teachers, Giuliani sliced municipal manpower elsewhere by 17.2 percent, from 117,494 workers in 1993 to 97,338 in 2001….

Public Assistance

Two years before President Clinton signed federal welfare reform, Giuliani started reducing Gotham's dole from 1,112,490 recipients in 1993 to 462,595 in 2001, a 58.4-percent cut, to 1966 levels….

Giuliani also renamed welfare offices "Job Centers." According to Giuliani's book, Leadership, City Hall placed 151,376 welfare beneficiaries in private jobs in fiscal 2001, a 16-fold increase over 1993's 9,215 assignments under Dinkins.

Family Affairs

Minors in foster care fell from 47,509 in December 1993 to 28,700 in 2001. While only 2,312 children were adopted in Gotham in 1994, cumulative adoptions swelled to 27,949 between then and 2001. This effort was led by Nicholas Scoppetta-a one-time Justice Department colleague of Giuliani's and current FDNY commissioner-himself a former foster child.

Giuliani also spoke in very traditional terms about parental responsibility. "Seventy percent of long-term prisoners and 75 percent of adolescents charged with murder grew up without a father," Giuliani said in his January 14, 1999 State of the City speech. "So, I guess if you wanted a social program that would really save these kids, a lot better than the City of New York, the United States Congress, the Social Welfare Agency, and Administration for Children Services, I guess the social program would be called fatherhood…"

Privatization

Giuliani shrank the 33,000-unit portfolio of city-owned apartments by 69.8 percent. Families and individual residents now occupy those private homes. He sold WNYC-AM, WNYC-FM, WNYC-TV, and Gotham's equity in the U.N. Plaza Hotel. He let the private Central Park Conservancy manage all 843 acres of Manhattan's beloved urban forest.

"One Standard. One City."

Giuliani ran on this slogan in 1993, then immediately implemented it. During his first month as mayor, Giuliani scrapped the city's 20 percent set-asides for minority- and female-owned contractors, and a 10 percent price premium that such companies could charge above the bids of white, male competitors.

As Giuliani explained at a December 3, 1997 Manhattan Institute forum:

“I, number one, thought that was very bad public policy. The city shouldn't be paying 10 percent more. Remember, I was dealing with a city that had about a $3 billion deficit at the time. How we could possibly pay 10 percent more for anything seemed incomprehensible to me.

“And second... the whole idea of quotas to me perpetuates discrimination. It has exactly the opposite effect on people who support quotas think it would have. So, I did away with it.

Crime and Quality of Life

Anyone who thinks Giuliani is a liberal should walk through Times Square. A dozen years ago, it was a gritty, dangerous place, brimming with litter, vagrants, and pornography shops. It now teems with tourists, restaurants, concert venues, broadcast studios for ABC and MTV, and the NASDAQ market site. At the Minskoff Theater, Disney's The Lion King thrills moms, dads, and kids. Next door, at the Amsterdam Theater, Mary Poppins opens this fall….

Education

Giuliani pulls no punches on schools, either. As he said in the June 16, 1994 Newsday: "If you give the Board of Education more money, you end up with something like the old Soviet Union."

…Giuliani scrapped tenure for principals and dumped social promotion, which matriculated pupils even when they could not perform grade-level work. He also launched a Charter School Fund and openly advocated vouchers, traveling to Milwaukee in May 2001 to embrace its school-choice successes. Giuliani worked, as well, with John Cardinal O'Connor and Rabbi Morris Sherer in 1996 to make available to underachieving public-school students as many as 2,000 privately funded seats in Catholic and Jewish parochial schools…

"The one area that I would emphasize... is choice and vouchers," Giuliani said, warmly embracing the "V" word. "The only thing that I believe is going to change dramatically public education in this country is to go to a choice system and break up the monopoly."

Immigration and Terrorism

Giuliani sees immigration and terrorism in tandem. "In an era of a War on Terrorism," he said April 25, "how do we create more security?" He argues against what he calls the House of Representatives' "punitive approach." Giuliani worries law-enforcement officers will be so busy handling "a system that's already unenforceable" that they won't "focus on the people that we have to focus on who... might come here to carry out terrorist acts or to sell drugs or to commit crimes." He wants tighter U.S. borders and high-tech identification for immigrants.

Giuliani favors the U.S. Senate's proposal. "Give people a way to earn citizenship in which they have to demonstrate facility with English, and they have jobs, and they're paying taxes, and they've put themselves in an entirely legal status... It'll be much harder for terrorists to hide in a situation like that…"

While prominent Republicans can give more conservative speeches than Giuliani, one would have to reach back to Ronald Reagan for a leader who has implemented more policies dear to the right.

"He is America's most successful conservative currently in office," columnist George Will wrote in October 1998. "He understands that culture, more than politics, determines a community's success, and he has devised policies to drive cultural change in a conservative direction…"

1,123 posted on 01/30/2007 12:46:39 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: Afronaut

Good luck ... he's running 2%.
You just alienated 32%.


1,124 posted on 01/30/2007 12:46:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: JimFreedom
If RUDY isn't the center of gravity right now, then why has this thread gone over a thousand replies?

Hunter isn't controversial, he's already a conservative!

1,125 posted on 01/30/2007 12:46:49 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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To: Spiff

Well I pref to give to individual candidates not parties. That way the money goes directly to their campaigns!


1,126 posted on 01/30/2007 12:47:25 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: BunnySlippers
You take your 2% Hunter and ask the 30% to leave?

No, I work to reverse those numbers AND raise the numbers for Hunter to 51 percent or higher. I have never called for Rudy threads to be banished from FR, and I remain convinced that logic can possibly overcome emotion in time for the primaries.

1,127 posted on 01/30/2007 12:47:37 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08 - rationalization not required, he IS a conservative already)
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To: areafiftyone
Oh, and you still haven't given me a reasoned response to this one:

Here, let's try this. Do you think that Rudy Giuliani agrees with the following Party Platform plank on illegal immigration that calls for better security, immigration reform, background checks, english language, etc.:

Today's immigration laws do not reflect our values or serve our security, and we will work for real reform. Undocumented immigrants within our borders who clear a background check, work hard and pay taxes should have a path to earn full participation in America. We will hasten family reunification for parents and children, husbands and wives, and offer more English-language and civic education classes so immigrants can assume all the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. As we undertake these steps, we will work with our neighbors to strengthen our security so we are safer from those who would come here to harm us.

Is this where Giuliani stands on immigration?

1,128 posted on 01/30/2007 12:47:59 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: NapkinUser

I respect you for your comment that if your state were in play, you'd be conflicted. Since about 1992, my votes for Republicans in statewide races in California have been meaningless.


1,129 posted on 01/30/2007 12:48:20 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: dirtboy

But some support banishing the threads. I'll tell you if you do not know. Rudy supporters feel that the management wants us to go elsewhere.

I hope I'm wrong.


1,130 posted on 01/30/2007 12:48:45 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: BunnySlippers

Its not my website. If it was my website, I'd boot anyone off who ran around promoting and supporting the liberal agenda. We FReepers have never accepted liberalism. Why start now. If you stick to the facts about Rudy`s liberal record, I have no problem. But this idea that just because Rudy`s a Republican he deserves special treatment is absurd. Rudy is a lifelong liberal. Period. Free Republic is a conservative website. We support and promote conservatism. Not liberalism.


1,131 posted on 01/30/2007 12:48:59 PM PST by Reagan Man (Conservatives don't vote for liberals.)
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To: BunnySlippers
You must not have read my other posts. Not only are you allowed to support who you want...in my opinion, you have the right to campaign for them.

My regret is that Free Republic has gone from a place of civil discourse to personal insult and hostility.

I think that is a shame and hurts all of us.

1,132 posted on 01/30/2007 12:49:11 PM PST by carton253 (Not enough space to express how I truly feel.)
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To: My2Cents
Giuliani/Clinton/GOP vs. Dem Platform Comparison
Issue
Giuliani Clinton Dem Platform GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion Supports
Opposed
NY ban
Supports Supports Opposes
Roe v. Wade Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment Opposes Opposes Opposes
Defined at
state level
Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/
Civil Unions
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Openly Gay Military Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship
for Illegal Aliens
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Tough Penalties for
Employers of Illegal Aliens
Opposes Opposes Opposes Supports
Sanctuary Cities/
Ignoring Immigration Law
Supports Supports Supports Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment Opposes
Opposes Opposes
Supports bans
Supports
Confiscating Guns Supports
Confiscated
as mayor.
Even bragged.
Supports Supports
Supports bans
Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban Supports Supports Supports  
Frivolous Lawsuits
Against Gun Makers
Supports
Filed One
Himself
Supports   Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses Supports Supports   Opposes
War in Afghanistan Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports Supports
War in Iraq Supports Supports
Voted for it
Supports
Weak support
Supports
Patriot Act Supports Supports
Voted for it
2001 & 2006
Opposes Supports
"Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." - Rudy Giuliani
1,133 posted on 01/30/2007 12:49:25 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: My2Cents
Giuliani worries law-enforcement officers will be so busy handling "a system that's already unenforceable" that they won't "focus on the people that we have to focus on who... might come here to carry out terrorist acts or to sell drugs or to commit crimes." He wants tighter U.S. borders and high-tech identification for immigrants.

What a joke. Rudy fought for years to keep NYC a sanctuary city. HE REFUSED TO EVEN ENGAGE IN LOW-TECH APPROACHES TO IDENTIFYING ILLEGALS - SUCH AS ASKING THOSE ARRESTED TO PROVE THEY WERE HERE LEGALLY.

Giuliani favors the U.S. Senate's proposal. "Give people a way to earn citizenship in which they have to demonstrate facility with English, and they have jobs, and they're paying taxes, and they've put themselves in an entirely legal status... It'll be much harder for terrorists to hide in a situation like that…"

The Senate proposal was an absolute disaster.

If he can make whoppers like these on this one issue, just how serious is he about the other issues?

1,134 posted on 01/30/2007 12:50:30 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08 - rationalization not required, he IS a conservative already)
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To: BunnySlippers

Better check your math. Over 31% of freepers support Hunter, and less than 14% support Rudy. Check the front page poll.


1,135 posted on 01/30/2007 12:50:43 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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To: BunnySlippers
You really don't care if the Republican party is infected with liberals, do you?

Look at Arnold. I am sure you are a big fan of his.

1,136 posted on 01/30/2007 12:50:43 PM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: carton253

A agree. But would you post where you could not post about the party's candidate?

Are we supposed to only post on non-2008 threads?


1,137 posted on 01/30/2007 12:51:05 PM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: areafiftyone
Well I pref to give to individual candidates not parties. That way the money goes directly to their campaigns!

So do I. I've never donated directly to the RNC and I've only donated TIME to my local party. But that still doesn't make you a Member. Are you done calling into question everyone's Republican Party credentials?

1,138 posted on 01/30/2007 12:51:12 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Peach
Unfortunately FR is getting to be as bad as turning on the TV lately with the Rudy-bashers twisting and spinning everything we post and taking over the threads with their juvenile, waste of bandwidth graphics and the continual repetitive acid remarks. It's no wonder many of the once regular posters are no longer around.
1,139 posted on 01/30/2007 12:51:12 PM PST by AmeriBrit (RUDY - 2008 - RUDY - 2008 - RUDY - 2008 - RUDY - 2008.)
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To: Spiff
So, before you run your mouth again about who is really a Republican or not, you may want to consider that fact that you are not a member of the Republican Party yourself.

Well I see after all this you are still your old sweet self! Well maybe you guys will think twice before you guys say this is a conservative forum not a Republican forum. What are you doing on here then? Why are you not on a Republican forum since you are a Republican and this is NOT a Republican forum. That's what has been said to me.

1,140 posted on 01/30/2007 12:51:37 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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