Ok, so we only count the OS out of the box with OS patches (I presume).
Well that makes the MAC even more useless if you can't install the handfull of programs on it without making it a security risk. I thought the OS was so well designed the OS wouldn't allow a program to do such things.
I guess I was misled (again) by the MAC fanbase claiming it was uber secure and nothing could break their security model...not even the typical non-techy, peacenik, MAC user. (I'm not saying you're a peacenik or non-techy, but the majority of Mac users are).
Ok, so we only count the OS out of the box with OS patches (I presume). . . Well that makes the MAC even more useless if you can't install the handfull of programs on it without making it a security risk.
You are being deliberately obtuse. The programs that MOAB seems to be relying on are "RUN TIME INTERPRETERS" or the actual programing languages for their specific exploits. The point is that 99.9% of Mac users will never install a "programming language" on their Mac and NEVER be at risk from these very obscure vulnerabilities. That makes them FUD.
Take a PC out of the box and don't install the AV, AS, and AA applications and see how long your computer lasts before it is infested. Do the same with a Mac and it will last for years. As an experiment, I have been running my Mac OS X.4.8 G5 without a firewall. It has been on 24/7 for the last 10 months, being restarted only for OS updates, and is perfectly safe and uncompromised.
I can take an out-of-the-box Mac and make it just as vulnerable to web rats and cockroaches as any unprotected Windows machine by opening all the ports and turning on all the services that no average user will ever use. That is what the guy in Sweden did and his Mac got pwned by Gwerdna in under 30 minutes.
I guess I was misled (again) by the MAC fanbase claiming it was uber secure and nothing could break their security model...
It is "uber secure" but if you break the security model, it will no longer BE secure.
I thought the OS was so well designed the OS wouldn't allow a program to do such things.
Just as on Windows, a program can be designed to do a lot of things. However a user on a Mac, implementing a malicious program can only damage his own files, not the system or application files or any other user's files. 99% of Windows users are running at administrator level by default... and can trash everything. They have access to that mess called the Registry and an application running with their user privileges can hose the entire system. Vista is making some improvements in this... finally.
(I'm not saying you're a peacenik or non-techy, but the majority of Mac users are).
Your proof? President Bush uses Macs, Rush Limbaugh uses Macs... there are more.... Al Gore uses... oh, damn... Macs. However, go to any IT convention and see what the IT managers are carrying. More and more they are carrying Macbooks. Techies are choosing Macs.
"I guess I was misled (again) by the MAC fanbase claiming it was uber secure and nothing could break their security model...not even the typical non-techy, peacenik, MAC user. (I'm not saying you're a peacenik or non-techy, but the majority of Mac users are)."
Bullshit. Utter, reeking, made-up bullshit.
You really are a child.
Computers are tools, not a flag of one's politics or lifestyle or ability. I don't know a single person who chose a computer platform based on politics. Maybe in your small, bizarre world they do, but out here in reality, most people buy what they learned from school or what they use at the office, or whatever is cheapest at BestBuy.
Back up your pie hole with facts, or just shut up already, every time you post you look more and more like a complete buffoon. Not only do you make Windows users look like arrogant knobs, but now you're just making computer users look bad.