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Bush: happy for Cheney's gay daughter pregnancy
Reuters ^ | 12/15/06

Posted on 12/16/2006 11:22:33 AM PST by Blackirish

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney's pregnant lesbian daughter Mary will make a "fine mom," President George W. Bush said, sidestepping his past comment that a child ideally would be raised by a mother and father.

Mary Cheney, 37, and her longtime partner, Heather Poe, are expecting their first child, which would be the sixth grandchild for the vice president. Cheney was hired last year as an executive for America Online.

"I think Mary is going to be a loving soul to her child. And I'm happy for her," Bush said in an interview with People magazine.


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KEYWORDS: barfalert; busybodies; familyvalues; fantasy; fatherlesschild; fertilty; fetish; homosexual; liberalism; liberals; makingnice; moralabsolutes; moralrelativism; perverts; purists
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Hey, thanks to your mentor, Alan Keyes, we got Obama.

The people voted to release Barabbas over Christ too.

461 posted on 12/17/2006 10:46:36 AM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither... I'm a Christocrat" -- Benjamin Rush)
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To: LowOiL

Give us Barabbas

462 posted on 12/17/2006 10:56:55 AM PST by LowOiL ("I am neither... I'm a Christocrat" -- Benjamin Rush)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
And, I am a conservative, just not the bible swinging, condemning and snooping type.
463 posted on 12/17/2006 11:02:08 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
You answered one small portion of my post at #165 and answered it poorly at that. And as for speaking out of both sides of my mouth?...Franklin was making the point that some people have need of religion to keep them from vice and other activities that are not for their betterment. He endorsed the utility of religion in controlling bad behavior but fell short in endorsing the precepts of the myths and simile's found throughout the Bible.

"Think how great a portion of mankind consists of weak and ignorant men and women and of inexperienced, inconsiderate youth of both sexes who have need of the motives of religion to restrain them from vice, to support their virtue"

He also said...""When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.""

In other words...let's not attack the precepts because even if Paine was right...it would do little good to undermine a belief that prevents ignorant people from becoming criminals or drunkards...

Like Paine, I choose to ignore that advice. That is why I posted Biblical law that points out how absurd the proponents of literalism in the Bible are when they make the grand pronouncement "And God said." Man has written in the Bible that God has said much. By any reading of the Old Testament, much of what is attributed to God is, IMO, actually man trying to implement their own personal agenda, much of which is quite evil in its nature.

As Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814..."In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot.... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."

And I agree with him when he wrote in a letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787 ...""Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." -

464 posted on 12/17/2006 11:36:57 AM PST by KDD (Here...have an acorn.)
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To: television is just wrong
I don't agree with that kind of lifestyle anymore than I agree with these ladies, having children out of wedlock. It is just wrong, but we cannot answer for their behavior. We can only answer and control our own.


It will be a good day for the right when we re-embrace the notion of encouraging personal responsibility instead of legislating It.
465 posted on 12/17/2006 11:58:30 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: Central Scrutiniser

"Social conservative" is an oxymoron.

You can't both adhere to the tenets of conservatism, the primary ones less government ad more individual freedoms, while simultaneously calling for bigger government and more government intrusion into people's lives.


466 posted on 12/17/2006 12:06:36 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
Keep up the good work EV, maybe the democrats will hire you to work for a republican to help their efforts!

What the heck. Y'all work for Democrats, or a reasonable facsimile thereof, every day. On a website devoted to conservatism, no less.

467 posted on 12/17/2006 12:18:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You can't both adhere to the tenets of conservatism, the primary ones less government ad more individual freedoms, while simultaneously calling for bigger government and more government intrusion into people's lives.

Like all liberals, you have no understanding of what true liberty entails.

468 posted on 12/17/2006 12:20:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
I'm not an anti christian bigot, if you want to be a christian, be one, just don't go trying to put it in people's faces that don't want to hear it.

Keep your gay friends out of the public arena, pushing it in people's faces, and you won't have any problem with the likes of me. If you want to go to hell in handbasket, that's your choice. Ain't nothing gonna stop you.

469 posted on 12/17/2006 12:24:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Circumstances are the fire by which the mettle of men is tried.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

The Jerry Springer contingent has arrived.


470 posted on 12/17/2006 12:26:00 PM PST by KDD (Here...have an acorn.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Jefferson is a great example of an individual with deeply seeded religious beliefs who was able to set apart government from faith. He (correctly) believed that politics and religion would corrupt one another.

You do understand, do you not, that none of the founders had a problem with sodomy laws. You might research your hero Jefferson's input on the subject in Virginia. What the founders didn't want was legislated religious beliefs/tenets. They had no problem with laws built around the moral principles of a religious people. So this irrational fear of the "religious right" is new mint, not old. The "religious right" as you call them are simply trying to maintain the standards handed down to all of us. If you believe in something you should at least not get away with lying about its origin. The "religious right" holds the historical position on gay issues. It is your position that is being imposed by the government's courts on the people against their will.

471 posted on 12/17/2006 12:26:27 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
So, you are from the Rosie O'Donnell wing of the Republican party?

I don't particularly care for her but she's probably more fun at a party than you would be.

472 posted on 12/17/2006 12:28:57 PM PST by Spyder
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL, keep it up EV, you are a constant source of amusement.

Remember when I predicted that Keyes race would be a raging disaster and would have long term effects?

WWPKD?

(What would President Keyes do?)


473 posted on 12/17/2006 12:33:06 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: EternalVigilance
And it was the rise of Christianity, informed by the availability of the printed Word of God, that dispelled the Dark Ages.

Please explain the Spanish Inquisition and how it contributed to the enlightenment of the country? How did throwing out the Jews and the Moors (Arabs) benefit the country in any way? The history class I took in Spain in the 70s seemed to indicate that the repression of the Church (and Christianity and its domination of the government) kept Spain in a dark age much beyond that of the rest of Europe.

474 posted on 12/17/2006 12:35:36 PM PST by Spyder
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To: EternalVigilance

BTW, doesn't Alan Keyes have a gay daughter?

Hmm, maybe that wasn't a very good household to raise a child in?


475 posted on 12/17/2006 12:36:12 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Pro Evolution, Pro Stem Cell Research, Pro Science, Pro Free Thought, and Conservative)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"... while simultaneously calling for bigger government and more government intrusion into people's lives."


Sodomy was illegal, and in some cases a capital offense, in early America.

I guess they wouldn't pass your "conservatism" test.
476 posted on 12/17/2006 12:38:43 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Sodomy was illegal, and in some cases a capital offense, in early America.

And slavery was legal. Do you want to go back to that, too? Guess slavery is part of how you view conservatism - and, as we discussed before - how about the *place* of women. Do you want us to go back to the 1700's in the way we treat women?

477 posted on 12/17/2006 1:04:29 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: bahblahbah; All

What is he supposed to say? He is stuck in a diplomatic check mate here.



I have always suspected that Lynn Cheny and her daughter were the weak ones in the WH position on the Federal Marriage Amendment.


The Foley scandal has taughts us all well, we need to expose the homosexual staffers whereever they may be to ensure we know who and what we have in our midst.


478 posted on 12/17/2006 1:13:41 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

See you showed up yesterday to take a cheap shot at me and show others how nasty and foul mouthed you are. Couple of posters slapped you around pretty good tho.

Good job knucklehead.

Have a good Sunday.


479 posted on 12/17/2006 1:16:16 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Sunsong
"And slavery was legal."

The founding fathers were not of one mind regarding slavery. Some saw it as a problem yet to be dealt with. But they all saw sodomy as an unspeakably shocking abomination.

A common tactic of the pro homosexual movement is to equate the gay rights movement with emancipation, desegregation or the feminist movement. The majority of blacks do not appreciate this because being black, unlike homosexuality, is not a choice.

Are you pro homosexual?


"Do you want us to go back to the 1700's in the way we treat women?"

In many ways, women were treated with greater respect in colonial America than there are now in our era of feminization.


You seem to be reading your arguments from the gay rights play book.

Please answer forthrightly the question you evaded previously --- are you pro homosexual?

Do you generally approve of the aims and goals of the homosexual movement?

Do you consider homosexuality and or lesbianism to the an acceptable alternative lifestyle and of equal value as traditional heterosexual relationships?
480 posted on 12/17/2006 1:19:33 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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