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No Giuliani, No McCain
Petition Online ^ | Dec. 14, 2006 | Andrew Longman

Posted on 12/15/2006 7:22:32 PM PST by FarRockaway

To: The Republican Party

I am a Christian conservative or social conservative. I am Pro-Life. I vote.

Rudy Giuliani is pro-gay, pro-gun control, and pro-abortion.

For these reasons and others, I state very firmly that I will not vote for Rudy Giuliani for President of the United States under any circumstances.

Senator John McCain has waffled on human cloning, has supported experimentation on human embryos, and has attacked prominent Christian clergy because of the, "evil influence that they exercise." John McCain has said of Pro-Life voters, on a public broadcast radio show, that they are, "otherwise intelligent people who say that that's the only issue that will determine their vote." McCain told the San Francisco Chronicle, "I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade."

For these reasons and others, I state very firmly that I will not vote for John McCain for President of the United States under any circumstances.

Sincerely,


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To: Star Traveler
It's too obvious

That you're begging the question.

821 posted on 12/16/2006 11:37:15 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Okay, you want to only debunk Christians, since you can't get beyond Kyle Gerkin. Debunk this:

http://www.ondoctrine.com/1mormo19.htm

Maybe you too believe you are to become a God of a planet with your many wives. Hooboy, Na na Na na. We've entered the Twilight Zone freepers.


822 posted on 12/16/2006 11:45:47 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Mojave
I'm following up again to your comments -- "You're long on sourceless assertions and short on cites."

And, it's *no wonder* that you have a problem with understanding the *cult* aspect of the Mormon religion (meaning that it is *non-Christian*). I suppose that there might be some other handicapped people with like mind..., so I provide what about 10-20 keystrokes on my computer provided. I only wonder why you can't do the keystrokes yourself (lazy is all I can come up with...).

Under this citation --
"cult." Webster's Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged. Merriam-Webster, 2002. http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com (16 Dec. 2006).

Definition #4 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious ; also : a minority religious group holding beliefs regarded as unorthodox or spurious : SECT

Then at this link --
http://www.religio.de/cudef.html

The following --

CHRISTIAN DEFINITION

CULT - Any group which deviates from Biblical, orthodox, historical Christianity. e.i. They deny the Deity of Christ; His physical resurrection; His personal and physical return to earth and salvation by FAITH alone.

---

Now, aren't you thoroughly ashamed of being so lazy?

Regards,
Star Traveler
823 posted on 12/16/2006 11:47:03 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: FastCoyote
Okay, you want to only debunk Christians,

No, that was Kyle Gerkin, the atheist you're pushing.

824 posted on 12/16/2006 11:48:58 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

"God Isn't Worthy Of Worship If He Kills Innocent Children."--Kyle Gerkin, the atheist who's opinion you're touting"

By the way, that's the typical routine of Mormon cultists, never address the issues, always deflect criticism. It's the same technique they use to cut apostates from the fold, it's a pretty heartless and ruthless practice. That's why Mormons don't belong in the Presidency.


825 posted on 12/16/2006 11:49:17 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote

You said -- "By the way, that's the typical routine of Mormon cultists, never address the issues, always deflect criticism. It's the same technique they use to cut apostates from the fold, it's a pretty heartless and ruthless practice. That's why Mormons don't belong in the Presidency."

And it becomes *obvious* -- very quickly -- who are the "Mormon apologists" on this board -- and who fight *against* Christianity. They deflect anything having to do with historic and doctrinal Christianity -- because they are *non-Christian* and a *cult*.

And they go on and on avoiding the main issue of being a cult and non-Christian.

Regards,
Star Traveler


826 posted on 12/16/2006 11:52:58 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

well Star Traveler, we have so much source material to draw from. Tis a shame most people don't know any of this. We will both have to package our results up and make them more readable. Next time, I will cut more quickly to the chase.


827 posted on 12/16/2006 11:53:25 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Star Traveler
Definition #4 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious ; also : a minority religious group holding beliefs regarded as unorthodox or spurious : SECT

Even your stretch doesn't reach. You and the debunked charlatan WAlter Martin, not "Christianity", call the LDS spurious.

CHRISTIAN DEFINITION

That was Jan Groenveld's definition, not Christianity's.

Now, aren't you thoroughly ashamed of being so lazy AND dishonest?

828 posted on 12/16/2006 11:56:02 AM PST by Mojave
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To: FastCoyote
By the way, that's the typical routine of Mormon cultists,

To criticize atheists?

829 posted on 12/16/2006 11:57:00 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

"Okay, you want to only debunk Christians,

No, that was Kyle Gerkin, the atheist you're pushing."

Okay, deflect again, I see you are a Mormon. Let's see if you will answer direct questions.

1) Do you believe you will become a God of a planet and have many wives?
2) Do you believe Indians are derived from a tribe of Jews who built a boat and came here and built (undiscoverable) cities? Even though the indians have no semitic DNA?

Just answer those two questions alone and we will all know the truth. You are truthful, aren't you?


830 posted on 12/16/2006 11:58:25 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Mojave

"By the way, that's the typical routine of Mormon cultists,

To criticize atheists?"

Evade the question number three. I guess Mormons can't tell the truth. That's why you can't trust them.


831 posted on 12/16/2006 12:00:13 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: FastCoyote
I see you are a Mormon.

I'm not. I see that you bear false witness and approvingly quote atheists.

832 posted on 12/16/2006 12:00:20 PM PST by Mojave
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To: FastCoyote
I guess Mormons can't tell the truth.

If that were true, it would make you a Mormon.

833 posted on 12/16/2006 12:01:21 PM PST by Mojave
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To: FastCoyote
You said -- "well Star Traveler, we have so much source material to draw from. Tis a shame most people don't know any of this. We will both have to package our results up and make them more readable. Next time, I will cut more quickly to the chase."

Well, the *dead give-away* that someone is a "Mormon apologists" and wants to cover up that Mormons are not Christian -- is when they say "prove it" or "cite it".

I say that, because it's *so embarrassing* how *abundant* the materials are, out there (on the net and otherwise) documenting the *non-Christian* religion of Mormonism and their *cult* status. And then it becomes embarrassing that someone seems so ignorant that they can't find it (and yet, they're able to post, here on Free Republic). It's just amazing to me...

Regards,
Star Traveler
834 posted on 12/16/2006 12:01:33 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Mojave

You said -- Now, aren't you thoroughly ashamed of being so lazy AND dishonest?"

It is now clear and obvious to me (and to others) that you are not interested in definitions and what they mean -- but only to distract and confuse -- away from that primary issue that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a *non-Christian religion* and is a *cult* by definition of Christian theology.

You've been provided all you need. No more is necessary.

Regards,
Star Traveler


835 posted on 12/16/2006 12:05:17 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Mojave

"By the way, that's the typical routine of Mormon cultists,

To criticize atheists?"

Evade the question number four. Star Traveler and myself have cited multiple Christian sources, the Book of Mormon itself, and yes, even one atheist (who cribbed much of his material from already existing Christian sources).

Of course, none of this will matter, because you cannot tell the truth or even answer a simple question. Again I ask:

Do Mormons believe they become God's of planets with many wives?

It should be simple to answer that, unless you are a complete prevaricator.


836 posted on 12/16/2006 12:07:35 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Mojave

"I guess Mormons can't tell the truth.

If that were true, it would make you a Mormon."

Evade the question number five.


837 posted on 12/16/2006 12:08:45 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: Star Traveler
It is now clear and obvious to me (and to others)

The voices in you head?

that you are not interested in definitions

Au contraire! They fascinate me. Especially your misattributions.

838 posted on 12/16/2006 12:09:23 PM PST by Mojave
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To: FastCoyote
Star Traveler and myself have cited multiple Christian sources

Ah, yes, the long dead radio charlatan with the fake degree, fake ordination and fake genealogy.

839 posted on 12/16/2006 12:11:17 PM PST by Mojave
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To: Mojave

"Star Traveler and myself have cited multiple Christian sources

Ah, yes, the long dead radio charlatan with the fake degree, fake ordination and fake genealogy."

Evade the question number 6!

Again, for the dimwitted:
Do Mormons believe they are God's with their own planet and many wives?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


840 posted on 12/16/2006 12:13:03 PM PST by FastCoyote
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