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To: Mo1; Miss Marple
Rumsfeld's abrupt firing was an act of flagrant disloyalty to a loyal subordinate. The defense secretary had made his share of mistakes - notably, his failure to crush looting immediately after the fall of Baghdad - but he had followed the president's policy faithfully.

This is what has turned me so sour...I hope my sour mood hasn't cost me FRiends....but the way Rummy was pushed out....was finally to much for me to take.

514 posted on 12/07/2006 3:34:54 AM PST by Dog
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To: Dog
I hope my sour mood hasn't cost me FRiends....

No it hasn't cost you my FRiendship and I understand your frustration

I will miss Rummy dearly and wish things had turned out differently

But at the same time I realize with the election .. there was no way Rummy would be able to continue doing his job in the way he needed .. the Dems would be dragging him up before hearings every chance they could

I think Rummy knew that too

IMO .. it wasn't Bush that failed Rummy .. it was the voters

515 posted on 12/07/2006 3:44:48 AM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: Dog
We had this discussion the day that Rummy announced his resignation. The President honestly thought we would win the election. When we lost, it was imperative that Rumsfeld leave before the new Congress could be seated, so that a new SOD could get confirmed without hold-up and so that Rummy wouldn't get called before the Armed Services Committee for grilling 24/7.

I didn't bother to read this article fully because the author is twisting everything that happened. If you believe this simply because it is in the Post, I would remind you that the Post supported Hillary Clinton in the most recent election.

518 posted on 12/07/2006 3:57:11 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, thank you for Mozart Lover's son's safe return, and look after Jemian's son, please!)
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To: Dog

You don't know what you are talking about. That is what has cost you ME. Not that you care about that, I'm sure. I have lost respect for your ability to judge what is actually happening. I'm sure I'll be savaged by someone for saying that. So be it.


524 posted on 12/07/2006 4:16:30 AM PST by txrangerette ("We are fighting al-Qaeda, NOT Aunt Sadie"...Dick Cheney commenting on the wiretaps!!)
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To: Dog
Rummy was not 'pushed out.'

It was a mutual decision........I believe Rummy's own words were that 'fresh eyes' were needed.

Why do you continue to post misleading comments about that situation, Dog?

Are you seriously still the same Dog?

536 posted on 12/07/2006 5:31:11 AM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - courageously and honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: Dog; Mo1; Miss Marple
Rumsfeld's abrupt firing was an act of flagrant disloyalty to a loyal subordinate. The defense secretary had made his share of mistakes - notably, his failure to crush looting immediately after the fall of Baghdad - but he had followed the president's policy faithfully.

This is what has turned me so sour...I hope my sour mood hasn't cost me FRiends....but the way Rummy was pushed out....was finally to much for me to take.

Dog, when I turned-in last night I figured this thread was pretty much over. Imagine my surprise to see still today that, like Frankenstein's creation, "it's alive!" /grin

Don't worry about it, the anger and vituperation will fade, and those of us familiar with your solid, level-headed and balanced perspectives are still here with you.

Your assessment of Rumsfeld's dismissal is correct, but most of those here who have assailed you for it simply didn't get your point. It wasn't the simple fact of his leaving that you were objecting to. It was the poor timing, and the classless, embarrassing, and worst of all, knee-jerk weakness the Administration exhibited by doing it the day after the election.

Even if you agreed with the political arguments that Rumsfeld needed to go, which I don't, or even if it really was his own choice, which is possible, and if so I respect it, announcing it so abruptly the day after the election was perceived by the public and spun by the MSM as a complete capitulation by President Bush.

It was another devastating example of the "tin ear" for the vital media/PR/propaganda components of public policy the Bush Administration has exhibited throughout its tenure. If Rumsfeld really wanted out, or even if he preferred to stay but agreed that the shifting political reality necessitated his leaving, delaying the announcement for a week or two would have made no difference, except that of a public acknowledgement and insistence on granting him a little bit of the dignity and honor in the manner of his leaving which he so richly deserves.

I agree with you. The whole thing could have been handled with class and dignity, and there was absolutely no necessity for the stupidly-timed, disrespectful and classless way it was done.

580 posted on 12/07/2006 8:56:20 AM PST by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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