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BREAKING NEWS: Two Border Patrol Agents who wounded a drug smuggler given 11 and 12 years prison.
Lou Dobbs / CNN | 10-19-06 | no dems

Posted on 10/19/2006 3:37:27 PM PDT by no dems

Edited on 10/19/2006 4:07:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Ex-border agents sentenced for shooting smuggler
AP

EL PASO, Texas -- Two former U.S. Border Patrol agents were each sentenced Thursday to more than a decade in federal prison for shooting a Mexican drug smuggler and then trying to cover it up.

Ignacio Ramos was sentenced to 11 years and one day, and Jose Alonso Compean was sentenced to 12 years. Both were fired after their convictions on several charges including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation.

The men, neither of whom spoke in court, will be allowed to turn themselves in Jan. 17.

The agents have proclaimed their innocence in the Feb. 17, 2005, shooting of admitted drug smuggler Osvlado Aldrete Davila.

Aldrete was shot in the buttocks as he fled across the Rio Grande into Mexico after a confrontation with Ramos and Compean. The agents said they shot in self defense, but prosecutors charged that they had no reason to shoot at the fleeing man, who later claimed he was unarmed.

Since their convictions, support for the agents has swelled. Several prominent law makers, including U.S. Rep. James Sensenbrenner, the Wisconsin Republican who chairs the House judiciary committee, have even called for a Congressional investigation into the agents' prosecutions.

The union representing most rank and file Border Patrol agents established a legal defense fund. And civilian border watch groups have asked the U.S. Attorney General's office to review the case and throw out the jury's guilty verdicts.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: agents; aliens; bds; border; borderagents; bordersecurity; davila; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; invasionusa; mexico
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To: beelzepug
It's sad to see so many Freepers engaging in name-calling and character assassination over this.

It happens all the time here. It's a minority of the posters that resort to insults, but they do ruin it for the rest of us. Kinda like the school yard bullies ruined recess for us too. And the principal here lets it go on and on...
361 posted on 10/19/2006 5:31:29 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Txsleuth; onyx

There's a Texas Governor's debate on C-SPAN tonight, maybe they'll get asked a question about this.


362 posted on 10/19/2006 5:31:34 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: Ladycalif; ThisLittleLightofMine
This president prosecuted them!

LOL. No, the President did not. However, in post 331 there is more data which SHOULD give you emotive release:

The other two House members who signed the letter were Rep. Darryl Issa, R-Vista, and Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. It then was forwarded to President Bush and Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, which has scheduled hearings on Ramos and Compean's case in late November

363 posted on 10/19/2006 5:31:46 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

The long sentences was because the use of their duty weapon to do their job was brought into court as a weapon used during the criminal act of an assault under Federal law which is at least 10 years.

Being they were on duty, it is retarded to begin with.


364 posted on 10/19/2006 5:31:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Thanks for the heads up, BSF!!!


365 posted on 10/19/2006 5:32:31 PM PDT by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--You need FR, you know you do, so please don't forget to donate!!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
It was totally discretionary with the US Attorney to decide if any action they did or did not do constituted a felony. There are a plethora of rules, regulations nad laws that can or cannot be decided to be applicable.

Far be it for a field agent to have all those things in his or her mind in pursuit of a narcotrafficante.

It's the prosecutor who is wrong in this case, not the field agents. He should be prosecuted, as should his two staff members who undertook to prosecute the case.

366 posted on 10/19/2006 5:32:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: A CA Guy
The long sentences was because the use of their duty weapon to do their job was brought into court as a weapon used during the criminal act of an assault under Federal law which is at least 10 years.

Guess they should've been armed with nerf bats.
367 posted on 10/19/2006 5:33:02 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: A.Hun
They're not bad cops. We have real criminals coming through here from Murphytown SC (you know where that is), and they must be stopped, either by the folks whose house is getting robbed or by the cops.

Or, alternatively, you could build a really big fence about that place and keep 'em at home.

368 posted on 10/19/2006 5:34:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CottonBall

They should have killed the guy, then there would be no issue.


369 posted on 10/19/2006 5:35:15 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
At least they tried. They tried to enforce US law and you belittle them and ridicule their efforts. What have you done to secure your country?
370 posted on 10/19/2006 5:35:25 PM PDT by blaquebyrd
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
You're welcome. Unfortunately I have personally witnessed enough innocent people get railroaded by The System and it angers me to see those who are paid to uphold the law turn around, violate the law, abuse their power and the public trust...and get away with it.

The only time FR posters showed any outrage over this type of thing was when Clinton was President and he got away with murder and coverups and God only knows what else.

371 posted on 10/19/2006 5:36:36 PM PDT by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: Txsleuth

I take that back, it's a Senate Debate. Kay Bailey Hutchison , R-TX and Scott Lanier Jameson , Libertarian, Texas.


372 posted on 10/19/2006 5:36:57 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: microgood
Whoever came up with mandatory minimum sentences was completely evil. We did not need them the first 170 years of our country and we do not need them now. And this case is a perfect reason why. Prosecutors will abuse them to no end. They remind me of zero tolerance policies in schools, made for idiots by idiots.

Amen to that.

373 posted on 10/19/2006 5:38:03 PM PDT by pray4liberty (School District horrors: http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: no dems
Now, I'm signing off and go watch Bill O'Reilly. Have a good night.

Good cover! You're off to watch some conservative TV!

Even though you spend the rest of the day here undermining conservatives every chance you get.

Even your screen name is good cover.

374 posted on 10/19/2006 5:38:30 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: muawiyah
It's the prosecutor who is wrong in this case, not the field agents.

Please enlighten us as to what your juror number was. If you were not on the jury, you do not know all of the facts. Coyotes and smugglers are criminals. Any person that kills a criminal, even under the color of law, must be investigated. If you know specific facts in this case, bring them. Otherwise, you appear to be another person demanding unfettered power over others. And that is unbecoming.

375 posted on 10/19/2006 5:38:44 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (We shall never forget the atrocities of September 11, 2001.)
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To: blaquebyrd

I ain't gonna cheer because they tried, I'll cheer when they finally succeed. Firing 15 shots and missing the target isn't my idea of success.


376 posted on 10/19/2006 5:39:15 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: A CA Guy
Being they were on duty, it is retarded to begin with

I perfectly agree.

377 posted on 10/19/2006 5:40:08 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Ajnin

ping


378 posted on 10/19/2006 5:41:03 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Any person that kills a criminal, even under the color of law, must be investigated.

Right, officers aren't above the same law they enforce.

379 posted on 10/19/2006 5:41:12 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Karl Rove you magnificent bastard!)
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To: CottonBall
BS, that's your degree. The BS is a math degree without a foreign language requirement, and many schools offer such a degree as a sop to science and math types who are incapable of learning other languages.

Schools of Education ordianrily offer the BS, as in Bachelor of Scinece in Education with a major in Math ~ that sort of thing.

A BA or AB has always required a foreign language be studied, and in the very best schools where a Bachelor of Fine Arts (BFA) is offered (the ultimate in "artsy fartsy" degrees since it is, in fact, a degree in "art") study in a foreign language is required.

Your typical Engineering degree, originating in a totally different field of discipline than the scineces (Arts and Sciences), usualy has no foreign language requirement, or even credit.

380 posted on 10/19/2006 5:41:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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