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To: Alter Kaker

Altar Kracker wrote:

Operating a BBQ indoors will kill you. Idling a car inside a closed garage is a favored suicide technique. Why do you think indoor cigarette smoking is the exception?
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WAYR.

See the South Park threads for the definition.

You're obviously too lazy to read the real research and rely on the same drive by media reports as your liberal progressive brethren.

Before you respond with some angry four letter words, why don't you tell everyone your learned medical, scientific opinion on the Enstrom/Kabat study. Or your legal opinion on Judge Osteens ruling in the 1993 EPA case.

My guess is you have never heard of Enstrom or Osteen. You're just talking out of your ass.

I won't even waste my time posting the links. Google it yourself.


513 posted on 10/19/2006 9:07:42 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 ("Government is not the solution to the problem; government is the problem."--Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
George, thanks for the name calling -- you fit in well with your fellow addicts -- but I think you're out of line here.

Before you respond with some angry four letter words, why don't you tell everyone your learned medical, scientific opinion on the Enstrom/Kabat study.

Utter nonsense. You do realize that the Enstrom/Kabat study was funded by a front-group, called the "Center for Indoor Air Research," which was in turn 100% funded by the United States tobacco industry? I'm shocked! Shocked! that they failed to connect second hand smoke and cancer. You gotta do better than that.

As for specific problems with the study (and believe me, there are many!), well, I'm a rocket scientist, not a public health expert, so I'd refer you to this critical appraisal.

Or your legal opinion on Judge Osteens ruling in the 1993 EPA case.

You mean the 1998 case, not the 1993 case. The EPA study came out in 1993, but the ruling was in '98. As for your Judge Osteen, do you know that, before becoming a judge, he worked as a lobbyist for... YUP! the Tobacco Institute? I can't honestly imagine why he'd support the tobacco industry... Great sources you have!

So now that we're talking studies (and I'll ignore your puerile name-calling, Mr. Orwell), what's your beef with the 2002 survey by the 12 leading public health experts in the world, brought together by the World Health Organization, of every existing passive smoking study which concluded, and I quote:

" there is a statistically significant and consistent association between lung cancer risk in spouses of smokers and exposure to secondhand tobacco smoke from the spouse who smokes. The excess risk is of the order of 20% for women and 30% for men and remains after controlling for some potential sources of bias and confounding."

514 posted on 10/19/2006 9:44:30 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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