Posted on 10/02/2006 9:16:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Edited on 10/02/2006 12:55:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Developing....
School Shooting injures one person,
Hostage situation may be developing.
Update: Multiple Shooting Victims and Possible Hostages in Lancaster County
Not many details available yet, but an incident has been reported from Mine Rd. in Bart Township in Lancaster County involving multiple gunshot victims. Dennis Buterbaugh reports live from our newsroom. abc27 has a news crew on the way. We will update with details as they become available.
Update 2: Pennsylvania Police: Amish School is 'Horrendous Crime Scene' After Shooting
NICKEL MINES, Pa. — At least two female students and one slightly older female — who may have been a teacher's aide — were shot and killed execution style in what police say may be a revenge killing for something that happened 20 years ago.
State Police Commissioner Jeffrey Miller said Monday that truck driver Charles Carl Roberts IV entered the one-room Amish schoolhouse in earlier in the day. The gunman brought in pieces of wood to board up the doors to the building when he entered the school. He also stacked desks against the building's doors.
"It appears that the suspect entered school with the intention of taking hostages," Miller said.
Roberts had wire ties and plastic flex cuff, which he used to begin tying the hostages feet together after they were lined up along a blackboard. He let go 15 male students, as well as one adult female who was pregnant. Three other non-student females with infants were also allowed to leave. One shotgun and one handgun was found next to the suspect when police entered the building.
"It seems as though he wanted to attack young, female victims," Miller said.
After a half hour inside, Roberts began shooting. When the gunfire stopped, three females were found shot dead at the scene, along with the suspect, who shot himself, Miller said. At least seven more victims — some critically wounded — were transported to nearby hospitals, he said. One victim, a young girl, died in the arms of a trooper, Miller said. He could not confirm how many people died en route or at the hospital. The county coroner earlier reported six children killed but then backed off of that statement.
the teacher went by the book. problem is that the perps all read the same stuff.
As far as I know, they really don't have any credentials - at least nothing past high school. They must be Amish and, I believe, single. I think that the Amish can attend high school if they want, since they do not join the Church until later, but it is not encouraged.
Does anybody know if the shooter was Amish?
I've been in Amish country many tims and cant fathom this kind of actions from Amish people.
Ever hear of a backpack? He could have easily carried it all in one load. What is your point here?
"A lot of folks here seem to have no problem with an adult leaving children alone, to whatever may befall them."
You are placing blame, and I addressed this in my post to you already. I do have a problem with what you are saying about the teachers and other adults in that class room.
You don't know what happened in there, but you are so quick to say that we/I have no problem with leaving children alone. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Some of those adults carried small children out with them, some were pregnant. Lives were saved, and lives were lost because one SOB was evil.
It's easy to play hero after the fact, but you don't know what happened in there, and you don't know what you would have done either.
Satan is on the loose.
All of us tend to see everything through our own experiences, priorities, values . . . to greater or lesser fittingness.
Seems like a plausible comment, to me.
Do disasters like these need to set us on edge with one another?
What the hell is wrong with you people...
There is nothing she could have done in that room to save those children. There were other kids who had been released and she may also have had concerns for them, not knowing how many shooters there were, she did the right thing, to get help for them all.
He was a truck diver, so it's highly unlikely he was Amish.
Usually there is one female teacher in an Amish school house. She is a young and unmarried.
I was going to touch on this point. Did they say the aid was pregnant or holding an infant. What you posted is true. I wonder if they were breaking with tradition by having a pregnant teacher. Presumably, she would be married if she was pregnant.
Some Amish do have phones (just not in their homes). We just hired an Amish cabinet-maker, and he has called us twice from his shop.
He also made copies of our floor plan, on his diesel-powered copier.
Some technology is okay for them. They decide what's okay on an item-by-item basis.
I just called my cousin. The family is okay. Her friends children go to the school the next town over. They do have relatives that were killed though.
Jesus wept, how does someone put a 6 year old against a wall and execute them?
It must have been so hard for those boys to leave their sisters in there.
We really cannot fairly second-guess any of the innocent persons who were in that schoolroom. Frankly, it wouldn't even occur to me to do so and it disgusts me that some people would.
I am so heart-broken over what has happened to that community ... and by extension to children all over this country ... more loss of innocence.
My heart goes out to the Georgetown community.
Easy. Psycho has gun, tells you to leave or he'll kill you. You leave, thinking there'll be time to get help. You also leave because you believe in the basic goodness of (some) man, and maybe he told you he wouldn't hurt the kids, BUT HE DID SAY HE'D KILL YOU IF YOU DIDN'T LEAVE. You don't want to subject the kids to the vision of you -uh- being killed in front of them. So you leave. You know, either way, no matter what you do, you'll have to live with your decision for the rest of your life, no matter how short. But mostly you leave because you think you can get help.
signed,
a mother AND a teacher (who, btw, nowadays, would have been armed)
She needs our prayers, not our condemnation.
The shooter lived nearby buy was not Amish.
From the presser, the shooter was not Amish.
" Why didn't one of the teachers jump this guy? At least the children might have had a chance to run for it... "
I'm sure that those teachers are just devastated that they didn't live up to the expectations of you "monday-morning-quarterbacks" (of which this thread apparently has a surfeit.)
Unfortunately, they are not combat-trained Rambos/Rambettes, prepared by training and inclination to make a split-second assessment of a completely unexpected life-threatening situation, and take appropriate action. (Appropriate, evidently, being defined by what some people here, sitting in safety, would like to believe *they* would have done.)
Here is the bottom line -- Exactly *none* of you second-guessers were there, confronted with the situation. And very few of you actually know how you will react when confronted with mind-numbing terror.
Lighten up.
Please.
Agreed. Why can't people realize this is not the time or place for conjecture of that sort?
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