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What is the difference between fair tax and flat tax? Which would benefit the lower middle class better?


18 posted on 09/03/2006 6:20:27 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Mao said that power comes at the point of a rifle; I say FREEDOM does.)
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To: proudofthesouth
At least the Flat Tax has an excellent history, but the fairtaxers insist on drowning out any and all information and or debate on it.

The information you are looking for is here: Flat Tax Information

20 posted on 09/03/2006 6:26:46 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: proudofthesouth
The flat tax has higher marginal rates. (32.7 te/24.65 ti PLUS business taxes hidden in prices.

The flat tax has higher effective rates.

The flat tax is regressive due to the payroll tax.

The flat tax retains withholding.

The flat tax retains hidden taxes in prices to the same extent as today (due to business taxes).

The flat tax is not border-adjusted.

The nrst has lower marginal rates (29.87% te/23% ti and eliminates any income tax costs from being hidden).

The nrst has lower effective rates.

The nrst eliminates the payroll tax on wages from the employee AND from the employer.

The nrst eliminates withholding.

The nrst eliminates business income taxes and prevents those taxes from being hidden in prices.

The nrst is border adjusted - giving US mfg a chance at the world market (the US mfg base has shrunk by over 50% as a pct of GDP in the last 50 years).

Most of the anti-nrst folks - no, all of them - try to omit the fact that under any income tax, earnings are reduced long before you spend them. They simply omit that component from their "analysis".

For example, wrt federal taxes - today I'd have to earn $133 to buy a $100 baseball glove for my nephew b/c I pay a 25% effective federal tax rate.

Under the nrst, the invisible income tax costs (which represent a MINIMUM of 9% of retail prices - according to the anti-nrst people) will be eliminated. So the baseball glove goes down to $91. Then, under the nrst, my effective rate would be 17%. So I'd need to earn $109 to buy the glove.

You tell me if middle class would benefit.

28 posted on 09/03/2006 6:48:24 AM PDT by Principled
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To: proudofthesouth
There are many differences. Here are two major differences:
1. The Fair Tax will abolish the IRS. The Flat Tax will keep the IRS.
2. The Fair Tax will shift taxes from income to consumption by abolishing all federal income taxes and taxing purchases. Consequently you receive 100% of your paycheck. The Flat Tax will maintain the income tax.

The lower middle class will benefit because the prebate will reimburse people for the taxes paid on essentials up to the poverty level. I suggest you visit the following three sites for more information on the Fair Tax
Americans For Fair Taxation
Fair Tax FAQ's
The Fair Tax Act(H.R.25/S.25)
47 posted on 09/03/2006 7:48:04 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: proudofthesouth
Any "flat tax" is still an income tax (which our present tax system started as, keep in mind) with all the problems thereof as shown in this post or even in the Flat Tax as Seen by a Tax Preparer
by Vern Hoven

707 posted on 09/07/2006 4:06:47 PM PDT by pigdog
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