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Save America with the ‘Fair Tax Act’
The Courier ^ | August 31,2006 | Gordon Bishop

Posted on 09/03/2006 5:18:40 AM PDT by Man50D

Abolish the federal income tax!

No more taxes on savings and investments!

A "Fair Tax" can completely fund the federal government, Social Security and Medicare!

You control how much you spend!

So what are we waiting for?

You, the taxpayers of America burdened with an income tax that is costly, wasteful and sinking America into inevitable bankruptcy. All current forms of federal taxation would end! You would keep 100 percent of your paycheck. You control how you spend your paycheck. It's your money. You make the decisions as to how you want to spend your money.

The Fair Tax would create more jobs and give the USA a level playing field when selling overseas. United States Senator John Linder (R-Georgia) is sponsoring the "Fair Tax Act of 2005." If enacted by Congress, it would accomplish all of the above. Simple. Easy. And affordable.

It's the best way to downsize government without disrupting the economy.

To join the "Fair Tax" movement in America, just sign the "Economic Freedom & Fairness" Petition supporting forward-thinking solutions. Go to www.grassfire.net and liberate the working class of taxpayers. Grassfire is trying to give the working class the same kind of freedom America's founders gave to those who joined the American Revolution in 1776 with the "Declaration of Independence." We won the Revolutionary War, but have lost our country since the 16th Amendment (income tax) became "Law" in 1913.

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To: lewislynn
He stated on many occasions that the revenue neutral range is about the 23-24% area. Knowing your little proclivities, I suspect you're taking his quote completely out of context - such as when he was talking about raising income taxes right now to pay for M/C & S/S entitlements and bumping the Fairtax rate up on that theoretical excursion.

Most are onto your out-of-context tricks, Looey.

681 posted on 09/07/2006 1:25:02 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Please show me where I've claimed that there would be 23% of embedded tax.

Here are a few quickies.

Pigdog post 52:  First of all - the embedded tax costs are not "so-called", but real and yes, they will fall when income tax is eliminated. I have never said this would be 23%, but IMO it would be somewhere in the range of 15-25% or possibly more depending on how the economy bumps upward.

Pigdog post 29:  The price levels of things will decrease, not increase. This has been shown by a number of studies and they typically predict the price-level drop will be from 20 to 40 percent of current prices.  Even at the lower end of that range, this means that prices overall (including the 23% tax-inclusive amount) will remain about where they are now.

pigdog post 38:  In addition the thing now selling for $100 will drop in price prior to the addition of the FairTax so it will not be "plus the sales tax" as you erroneously state. It will probably end up at roughly the same price as at present

Today you are down to 9%.  Before you were 15-25%....and 20-40%.....and 'end up at roughly the same price as at present' would be about 23%.

682 posted on 09/07/2006 1:25:48 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: cowboyway

"And, if you decide that you don't want to pay taxes, don't buy anything." Actually, don't buy anything new.

This is the key and the real reason for the opposition of the Fair Tax. Under the Fair Tax you can actually exercise your FREEDOM. This concept is just unthinkable by the left or the right.


683 posted on 09/07/2006 1:34:33 PM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: Always Right
Guess you don't remember how some feeding from your trough were claiming a FairTax price-increasing Armageddon? I've always said that prices would fall with the elimination of the income tax - and still do. I've never said prices would drop 23% - and still don't ... though they may drop more than 9%.
Jorgenson's study claimed 22-23% price drops overall due to the way in which he handled wages/payroll withholdings in his model and it was that study that Drummer Boy latched onto claiming that J. was saying wages would actually drop 23% (he wasn't saying that at all, but Robbie never met a lie he didn't like - or an obscene post either).
684 posted on 09/07/2006 1:45:05 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: robertpaulsen

You're ignoring the effects of competition and the marketplace which will certainly force foreign suppliers to lower prices, too.


685 posted on 09/07/2006 1:46:57 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: robertpaulsen
I don't believe I ever claimed that the FairTax made existing embedded taxes "visible". Perhaps you could provide a link? I have said that the FairTax would make TAXES visible - but that's not at all the same thing.

And I still believe that almost all wage earners will get their entire Federal non-withholding paycheck. And there's nothing for me to "come around" to since I haven't changed what I've been saying.

686 posted on 09/07/2006 1:55:23 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
You are assuming that foreign suppliers can and will lower their prices. I say domestic manufacturers will get greedy and raise their prices to match foreign prices.

Now, honestly, who do you think is closer to the truth?

687 posted on 09/07/2006 1:58:23 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
I've "admitted:" no such thing since it isn't true. Go back and read what I've posted. Nor have I ever assumed that the employer would retain all those former withholdings. You're way off base, pal.
688 posted on 09/07/2006 2:00:43 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: Always Right

That's called convenient memory shortfall.


689 posted on 09/07/2006 2:02:07 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Figure it out mommie.

No doubt you need a mommie, but I'm not she. Drop the mommie stuff right now.

690 posted on 09/07/2006 2:16:09 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: pigdog
"And I still believe that almost all wage earners will get their entire Federal non-withholding paycheck."

So everyone will suddenly get a 20% "raise" and that will have no upward pressure on retail prices.

Of course not. Because you say so.

691 posted on 09/07/2006 2:19:53 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Always Right
Today you are down to 9%.  Before you were 15-25%....and 20-40%.....and 'end up at roughly the same price as at present' would be about 23%.

Today must be back day!

692 posted on 09/07/2006 2:19:54 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel
"And, if you decide that you don't want to pay taxes, don't buy anything." Actually, don't buy anything new.

This is the key and the real reason for the opposition of the Fair Tax. Under the Fair Tax you can actually exercise your FREEDOM.

Perhaps that's why the retailers are opposed to the FairTax. Through no fault of their own, they would be the victims of a taxpayer revolt. Is that fair?

693 posted on 09/07/2006 2:25:35 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: pigdog
You're ignoring the effects of competition and the marketplace which will certainly force foreign suppliers to lower prices, too.

I bet one of your businesses is Amway and the others were purchased at one of those free, get rich quick, seminars.

694 posted on 09/07/2006 2:29:52 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Always Right
I know it'll drive you absolutely bonkers, Rongie, but all 3 posts are consistent with each other as well as what I say today - and thanks for stretching back all the way to the year 2000 to try to find some inconsistency - which you still haven't done.

In the first quote you say:

"... I have never said this would be 23%, but IMO it would be somewhere in the range of 15-25% or possibly more depending on how the economy bumps upward ..."

That was about a year ago and is still correct.

"... The price levels of things will decrease, not increase. This has been shown by a number of studies and they typically predict the price-level drop will be from 20 to 40 percent of current prices ..."

This was your little "bombshell", presumably, from 6 years ago in 2000 and what's not to like?. And that also is still correct since studies are still predicting those things. I'm not a "study" you see but I certainly agree that prices will drop with the elimination of the income tax.

"... In addition the thing now selling for $100 will drop in price prior to the addition of the FairTax so it will not be "plus the sales tax" as you erroneously state. It will probably end up at roughly the same price as at present ..."
Well at least this is more recent than 2000 but I note you do some of the selective Looey like OOC (out of context) work when you should have also included the remainder of the sentence that followed "... same price as present ..." which read:

"... if you ignore the fact that to buy the $100 thing right now you have to earn much more than that to HAVe THE $100 to make the purchase ... "

... and that's an important little point that you edit out since it goes to the heart of the FairTax matter. So roughly the same price would mean you'd be ignoring having to earn more - and not that it's the same.

Sorry Rongie but you blew it!! All the way from 6 years ago, too. I'm not going to participate further in this continual nonsense with you. You're welcome to go back to 1887 AFAIC.

695 posted on 09/07/2006 2:31:51 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: robertpaulsen

Honestly??? Me, since I think competitive pressure from the marketplace is stonger tha plain old greed.


696 posted on 09/07/2006 2:46:41 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: lucysmom

OK - how about Ma? It's shorter anyway.


697 posted on 09/07/2006 2:48:47 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog

How about I call you pig - its shorter?


698 posted on 09/07/2006 2:50:57 PM PDT by lucysmom
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To: robertpaulsen
I don't think prices will be shot to the stratosphere either but I do think there'll be lots more economic activity - i.e., consumption - because taxpayers have more money to spend (more DPI - disposable personal income).

I also think there'll be much much more saving and investing which right now is nearly zero and that will help boost our economy, too.

699 posted on 09/07/2006 2:52:26 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: lucysmom

Nope, just another normal day of taking potshots and harassment from naysayers.


700 posted on 09/07/2006 2:53:35 PM PDT by pigdog
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