Posted on 08/27/2006 9:13:18 AM PDT by smug
>>>Legally he could not free slaves in those states not in rebellion.<<<
Why should that matter to him? He was a usurper--a tyrant.
Your chronic neoconfederatitis is showing - again.
Get some help.
Utter nonsense.
Robert Lee stated that slavery was the best situation for blacks in the south. Jefferson Davis said that the Negro was fit for slavery and nothing else. Thomas Jackson predicted a war between North and South over slavery and made it clear he'd be on the slavery side. Not a single one of these men believed blacks to be their equal in any way. Not a single one can be quoted as saying that blacks deserved any rights whatsoever. Each and every one was a slave owner for most or all of their adult life. Each believed slavery should continue. Given all that then wouldn't even someone like you have to admit that if Lincoln was a racist then Robert Lee and Jefferson Davis and Thomas Jackson were as bad, if not worse than he was?
don't you get TIRED of being the BUTT of 90% of the jokes about PREJUDICED NITWITS & STUPID BIGOTS on the forum????
you'd be PITIFUL, if you weren't a BIGOT, 1st Class.
free dixie,sw
what you have posted, N-S, is a combination of NONSENSE, HALF-truths & outright DY PROPAGANDA.
NOBODY here but "DUH snake" & "Mr SPIN" are clueLESS enough to believe that SELF-serving, REVISIONIST, BILGE any more.
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No, not particularly hard. I'm actually honest about these things. And the times were the times. Find me a political leader of anywhere near Lincoln's stature who was as advanced racially as we are today. Maybe a couple of the hardcore abolitionists like Sumner, who would never get anywhere near the presidency. It's interesting to consider that most of the damning Lincoln quotes on race come from the Douglas debates, where Douglas is taunting Lincoln about his position on race, trying to play the race card for the white audience. So who's the racist there? And as Frederick Douglass said in his 1876 speech,
I have said that President Lincoln was a white man, and shared the prejudices common to his countrymen towards the colored race. Looking back to his times and to the condition of his country, we are compelled to admit that this unfriendly feeling on his part may be safely set down as one element of his wonderful success in organizing the loyal American people for the tremendous conflict before them, and bringing them safely through that conflict. His great mission was to accomplish two things: first, to save his country from dismemberment and ruin; and, second, to free his country from the great crime of slavery. To do one or the other, or both, he must have the earnest sympathy and the powerful cooperation of his loyal fellow-countrymen. Without this primary and essential condition to success his efforts must have been vain and utterly fruitless. Had he put the abolition of slavery before the salvation of the Union, he would have inevitably driven from him a powerful class of the American people and rendered resistance to rebellion impossible. Viewed from the genuine abolition ground, Mr. Lincoln seemed tardy, cold, dull, and indifferent; but measuring him by the sentiment of his country, a sentiment he was bound as a statesman to consult, he was swift, zealous, radical, and determined.
You say he'd be a good candidate for the Klan, but you ignore the plain truth. Before Lincoln, slavery. After Lincoln, no slavery. Show me a Klansman who'd do that.
I doubt Watie will accept anything as an original source short of you showing up at his door with the actual signed document in hand, but here...
The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856
A January 11, 1865 letter written to senator Andrew Hunter of Virginia, in response to Mr. Hunter's request to know General Lee's opinion on black troops. Link
free dixie,sw
otoh, he was NOT a RACIST as "us grant", "lincoln", "butler" & so MANY others of the "oh, so wunnerful,wunnerful DY elites" WERE!
free dixie,sw
he was a TYRANT & destroyer of BOTH the CSA & the CONSTITUTION.
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So...I understand that you've been on vacation.
The why did he state his preference that the south rely on the white population to staff the army, expressing his opinion that it was dangerous to do otherwise?
Sure he could. The Confiscation acts allowed him to seize private property used to support the southern rebellion and the Emacipation Proclamation was an offshoot of that.
not i. i DID go to Columbia, SC (Thursday - Saturday)to "do" a BBQ for Congressman Tom Tancredo.
the BBQ was a SUCCESS.
free dixie,sw
he was NOT BLIND & could SEE for himself the MANY "freemen of colour" in the CSA ranks.
N-S, unlike some here, you are NOT a dunce & you KNOW that the "no Black men in gray thesis" is BILGE & (in all too many cases) a KNOWING lie on the part of the REVISIONIST LEFT.
otoh, as a PROPAGANDIST for the unionists, you don't WISH to admit that 100,00+ FREE Black men (and NOT a few Black women!) fought for dixie LIBERTY from "the unionist leviathan", as it makes "lincoln & his merry band of thugs & common thieves" look BAD!
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