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Nevada Conservatives Against the War on Drugs
mother jones ^ | 08.11.06 | Sasha Abramsky

Posted on 08/15/2006 5:24:59 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: AlexandriaDuke
They had me up to there ["tax and regulate" measure]. Just what we need ... government corrupting another industry.

What makes you think a tax and regulate measure would be more corrupting than the current prohibition?

What policy toward mj do you favor?

21 posted on 08/15/2006 6:17:52 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Coleus
"...and would tax marijuana in a manner comparable to alcohol." ROTFLMAO!

These idiots just don't get it. People will be growing their own "tax free" marijuana. It's a weed. It'll grow anywhere.

22 posted on 08/15/2006 6:31:32 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Vote early and vote often.)
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To: A CA Guy
Possession of an ounce will be against Federal law which stands up most recently at the top courts.
Waste of time.

The fed 'law' can be changed, and will be, -- if States ignore it as an unconstitutional infringement of due process. -- Congress has no delegated power to prohibit.

23 posted on 08/15/2006 6:33:14 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: 11B40
11B40 said: "The WOD destroys more lives than the drugs ever could."

I agree. Minority neighborhoods in our biggest cities have become breeding grounds for gangsters. Remove the profit from drug-dealing and you will eliminate most of the violence.

We don't see many gangs fighting over "alcohol turf". It's about time we treated all drugs as we treat alcohol.

The drop in violent crime would do a lot to restore the severely infringed Second Amendment.

24 posted on 08/15/2006 6:40:52 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: Total Package

"The only power government has is to make criminals of it's people."

You've hit the mark with that. It's something I learned in my LP activism; that much of the laws we comply with today are essentially arbitrary.

Arbitrary laws coerce individuals into behaving in a certain manner.

Arbitrary laws can be manipulated by their enforcers to achieve political and social goals.

Arbitrary laws create criminals where criminals do not exist.

I beleive ANY laws enacted by our Federal legislature should be restricted to protecting this nation from external and internal enemies.

I beleive ANY laws enacted by our individual State legislatures should be restricted to protecting the individual's liberty and property. PERIOD.


25 posted on 08/15/2006 6:41:58 PM PDT by SkiKnee (It snows, therefore I ski.)
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To: muir_redwoods

"I am sick and tired of paying to protct drug addicts from their stupidity."

The war on drugs has nothing to do with protecting drug addicts.


26 posted on 08/15/2006 6:43:33 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: tpaine

The issue was recently at the top court regarding the Feds and it was upheld.
I think John Roberts wrote the majority view.


27 posted on 08/15/2006 6:47:38 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
These idiots just don't get it. People will be growing their own "tax free" marijuana. It's a weed. It'll grow anywhere.

Well, one can make his own beer, but how many people do it compared to those who just go to the store? "Home-grown" would be a novelty hobby held only by pothead gardeners.

28 posted on 08/15/2006 6:50:20 PM PDT by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

"These idiots just don't get it. People will be growing their own "tax free" marijuana. It's a weed. It'll grow anywhere."


You can make your own corn liquor too.

People start doing that when it becomes taxed too highly.

Same difference.


29 posted on 08/15/2006 6:51:28 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: A CA Guy
Possession of an ounce will be against Federal law which stands up most recently at the top courts.
Waste of time.

The fed 'law' can be changed, and will be, -- if States ignore it as an unconstitutional infringement of due process. -- Congress has no delegated power to prohibit.

The issue was recently at the top court regarding the Feds and it was upheld. I think John Roberts wrote the majority view.

So what? -- Do you think the 'top courts' opinion is infallible?
-- Try reading Marbury, and you will see that the Constitutions words, as written, -- are the supreme law.. -- Court opinions are often reversed.

30 posted on 08/15/2006 6:59:35 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

I think it means the issue won't be revisited for a good part of a decade.


31 posted on 08/15/2006 7:03:54 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Guy, what you think, - and constitutional reality -- are seldom a good match-up.
32 posted on 08/15/2006 7:08:38 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

It can be tough if you like recreational drugs I guess.

Even Lincoln said the Constitution was not meant as a suicide pact.
What was the problem at that time with the Constitution that Lincoln had to say that?


33 posted on 08/15/2006 7:13:51 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Tomatoes and bell peppers grow very easily. Why do those sell at the store pretty well?


34 posted on 08/15/2006 8:46:37 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: FlingWingFlyer
These idiots just don't get it. People will be growing their own "tax free" marijuana. It's a weed. It'll grow anywhere

Very true, but would you be willing to pay the tax for the right to be left alone completely.

Say 300 or 400 dollars, the price of a good oz. I would.

35 posted on 08/15/2006 8:48:53 PM PDT by vikzilla
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"These idiots just don't get it. People will be growing their own "tax free" marijuana. It's a weed. It'll grow anywhere."

If it was that easy to do that those pot clubs in California wouldn't be making money hand over fist selling pot for $20 or $30 a gram. It may not be the hardest plant to grow, but doing it right obviously does involve a good deal of work. They have to have space for it, time and discipline to tend to their crop, the skill and the knowhow to do things like separate males from female plants before pollination and harvest just at the right time. Then they have to dry it and cure it just right. That whole process takes months and is obviously not as easy as people might imagine or you wouldn't see pot selling so well for high prices at pot clubs in California or in places like the Netherlands where retail sales and growing a few plants is ignored by law enforcement. I bet if it was legal and taxed the economy of scale would bring the prices down even with the taxes and people for the most part would just go buy their pot at the pot store, where the could get a wide variety of quality product. Before long there would be popular brands or varieties that consumers would stick with because they like the taste or whatever, and homegrown from some yahoo's backyard would be no more appealing to them than the beer he's making in his closet.
36 posted on 08/16/2006 7:08:42 AM PDT by TKDietz
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It can be tough if you like recreational drugs I guess.

Whats 'tough' to understand is the prohibitionist mentality. What drives some people to attempt to restrict their peers liberties?

Even Lincoln said the Constitution was not meant as a suicide pact.
What was the problem at that time with the Constitution that Lincoln had to say that?

Some people were so convinced that it was ethical to enslave their peers, -- that they abandoned constitutional means to resolve the issue.
-- Fanatics are like that I guess

37 posted on 08/16/2006 7:25:29 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Right, slavery was at one time Constitutional (or at least perceived to be) and it had to be overcome.

There isn't anything good, smart or responsible about recreational drugs. Though some worship it like a sacrament of their faith, it is associated with the dark side of life.

Drug use, distribution, exposing children, becoming addicted, medically sick, psychologically sick, changing your brain chemistry, becoming a danger and draw on the rest of the good citizens are all not favorable to how the pro-recreational drug advocate is viewed IMO.
38 posted on 08/16/2006 1:25:24 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
It can be tough if you like recreational drugs I guess.

Whats 'tough' to understand is the prohibitionist mentality. What drives some people to attempt to restrict their peers liberties?

Even Lincoln said the Constitution was not meant as a suicide pact. What was the problem at that time with the Constitution that Lincoln had to say that?

Some people were so convinced that it was ethical to enslave their peers, -- that they abandoned constitutional means to resolve the issue.

-- Fanatics are like that I guess.

Right, slavery was at one time Constitutional (or at least perceived to be) and it had to be overcome.

Thanks for conceding your false analogy.

There isn't anything good, smart or responsible about recreational drugs. Though some worship it like a sacrament of their faith, it is associated with the dark side of life. Drug use, distribution, exposing children, becoming addicted, medically sick, psychologically sick, changing your brain chemistry, becoming a danger and draw on the rest of the good citizens are all not favorable to how the pro-recreational drug advocate is viewed IMO.

There you go again Guy, preaching and obsessing about "drug advocates"; -- ignoring the 'wars' constitutional issues in order to opine about more prohibitive 'laws'. -- Talk about 'psychologically sick'.

39 posted on 08/16/2006 5:01:55 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

Most all on a conservative forum do not have recreational drug use equaling liberties.

At the time of the Constitution we has slavery and (gasp) we ended it as well.

You are not going to get much sympathy for drugs and in no way would people raise it to the level of a liberty....


40 posted on 08/16/2006 5:05:47 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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