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To: Chanticleer

I notice you put in the "let his blood . . . " which appears only in one gospel and has been used as a blood libel against Jews for centuries. Very clever of you. The Romans won the wars, and the RC Church became the ROMAN Catholic Church and the official church of the empire. There was more to risk by offending the ROMANS than the Jews. Got it?


531 posted on 08/01/2006 8:06:23 AM PDT by juliej (juliej)
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Good point ~ that situation, some serious fear of offending government agents ~ has continued down to the present day.

When you read "Gulag Archipelago" notice how Shozenytsen blames "Stalin" and not the fellows running the camps.

542 posted on 08/01/2006 8:13:36 AM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: juliej
EXCUSE ME???

I put it in? Wow! I didn't know I wrote a book of scripture penned almost 2000 years ago! Cool! I guess that time machine I bought over the Internet really did work!

That was a direct quote, New International Version.

By the way, all the Gospels are . . . well, Gospel. They are the inspired Word of God. They are told from the perspective of four different people, but I believe them to be true. If you believe Matthew's wording was some sort of ploy to curry favor with the Romans, that's your problem. (Most Christian historians believe that he was eventually martyred in Ethiopia or elsewhere, so I guess when it comes to currying favor, Matthew really stunk.) I believe it is true and inspired by God.

Also, it is good to note that in the Apostle's Creed, the oldest creed in Christianity, only Pontius Pilate is mentioned. If the church fathers wanted to shift all the blame to the Jews, they certainly could have written it into the creed -- which is not in itself scripture.

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:

Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried....

I wasn't being "clever." I searched for the scripture, which you said didn't exist, and showed you. I have provided sources for all my assertions. My only concern is for the truth. I don't appreciate your accusative tone or your tendency to throw out assertions with no links or other support.

564 posted on 08/01/2006 8:27:03 AM PDT by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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