Posted on 07/06/2006 7:01:52 AM PDT by SquirrelKing
According to the 1860 census there were fewer than 25,000 free black males of military age in the entire south. So what happened, did each and every one enlist 4 times?
I would take a lesson from General Grant, and go beyond the neo-confederates in my admiration for the southern soldier.
Tennesee provided 55 regiments to fight for their country, the United States of America.
Every southern state contributed regiments to the Union Army, except South Carolina. (Some soldiers from other regiments were from South Carolina, but they had to leave their state to gain enough freedom to join up.)
That lack of South Carolina regiments fighting against the rebellion, was because of its unique status "Too small to be a country, too large to be an asylum".
It is interesting. For a long time it was held that Lee hadn't owned slaves himself. Eventually when old records from Rockland County were being scanned and placed into electronic storage, they found a will of Robert E. Lee, of Arlington, Va. granting freedom to his slave Nancy, and her 5 children.
We don't know much more than that. We don't know whether the children were hers by him, or were hers by someone else.
That isn't revisionist. It is new information now readily available because of better formating. Of course some people will deny it, putting their fingers in their ears, and shouting Nanananananananaanan.
You know who I am talking about.
Lets use some logic.
Stand Watie left is post in the military in time of war.
He took a safe, non-combatant position in the rebel's capital, even though he could not vote on Indian affairs.
The southrons were greatly impressed by him.
I don't think it was because he protected his kinsmen and tribes so well from the South. Like so many of the Ridge faction, he decided that there was more to be gained by selling out his kinsmen than by resisting the people who wanted their land.
You agree that Buck Watie made money from the treachery of his uncle. We both agree that Stand Watie was not stupid.
I can do simple sums. Can you?
Only Union victory prevented a second Trail of Tears, at best, and most likely mass murder by their Southern "allies". That's my conclusion. The Cherokee probably owe their continued existance to the valor of the Northern Soldier.
Well stated and soooo true.
I think that line goes back to the 1840s.
Your assertions are funny. Not ha ha funny, but fish left in the back of the pickup truck for 4 days funny.
It wasn't the central government that was hostile to the black citizen's interests, it was the Southern state government that were controlled lock stock and barrel by the slavers.
I have previously posted (though not on this thread) the names of many southern regiments that fought for the Union. Do you have reference for a black regiment that fought for the south?
Inquiring minds want to know.
As I recall, they kept the treaty by which Buck Watie and the "Ridge faction" received land in Oklahoma in return for the Cherokee land that the Ridge faction signed away.
That the Ridge faction had no authority doesn't mean that the US didn't keep its part of the bargain.
That is why traitors are held in such low esteem by honest men. They often create a great deal of trouble for honest men, though they line their own pockets pretty well.
It is the so called "Confederates" who lost.
If you don't know that, then there is little hope for you.
Mules always claim that their ancestors are Horses, but it seems a little donkey always slips in, despite their loud assertions to the contrary.
Most mares eventually really enjoy being serviced by donkeys.
Even some 20 years prior to the Civil War numerous wise souls had the foresight to see what was coming down the pike and which renegade state's politicians would be instigating full scale insurrection. This is the main warped reasoning why neo-confedeerate fanatics worship that command center for self inflicted perpetual rebellion. Let's face it, even in that state, the tiny minority of crackpots in question no longer represents the overall population.
i have a female, Jewish, business partner. as i've said several times, every time we go "north on business" & someone see the Star of David,which i gave her, SOMEBODY makes an ANTI-Semetic comment. FACT!
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deceiving the forum members isn't DECENT. we've talked about this & the location of the service records has been posted on another WBTS thread. you DYs just don't like the FACTS.
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his WIFE received a FEW slaves from her parents, who REL promptly & UNLAWFULLY freed. it caused him no end of marital problems, as his wife KNEW they NEEDED the money that the sale would have brought into the home.
IF REL hadn't been who he was, he would have gotten in serious trouble for doing it too, as the slaves were the SOLE property of a "femme sole". this was, at that time, a CRIME!
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Buck Watie may NOT have made any $$$ on the "sale". what i said was IF anyone in the family DID, it would have been Buck, as GEN Stand Watie was "not of age" at that time.
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1. the US Archives,
2. the pension records of the 13 CSA states,
3. the rolls of the UCV &
4. Dr. Blackerby's book, BLACKS IN BLUE & GRASY.
SORRY, but once more, your "drawers are seen to be at 1/2 mast"!
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That was long thought to be the case.
The will recently discovered shed new light on that.
The other interesting thing you said was about how REL freed slaves promptly. His father in law's will granted the his slaves freedom, but gave him, as executor, 5 years to accomplish that. Rather than promptly free the slaves from an estate that was crushed in debt, REL delayed their freedom until after the 5 years time, and rented the slaves out. Where slaves differed in their judgement of when their freedom should be granted by REL, he took advantage of the Fugitive Slave Act to have them detained, brutally whipped, and tortured by having salt water played over their wounds.
The Antebellum south was a muddle of conflicting notions. REL was a very Southen man. He could direct the torture of a women with enthusiasm, if he thought he was within his rights. On the other hand, I am sure he was kind to puppies.
I don't doubt that 50,000 to 65,000 blacks served the Confederate army. I also suggest that most of them were the mixed race children of raped slave women. Often those were the only children that many (younger) slave owners had.
I asked for a Black Regiment that fought for the Confederacy. I got no answer from you on that. I don't think there is one, but not being an expert on the subject, would love to be shown to be wrong.
i am reminded of the words of Red Cloud, of the Sioux nation:
"The hairy faces came among us & made us promises. More promises than there are leaves on trees, BUT of all the promises they made to us, they kept just ONE. They said they would take our LAND. They did.".
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