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To: stand watie

I don't doubt that 50,000 to 65,000 blacks served the Confederate army. I also suggest that most of them were the mixed race children of raped slave women. Often those were the only children that many (younger) slave owners had.

I asked for a Black Regiment that fought for the Confederacy. I got no answer from you on that. I don't think there is one, but not being an expert on the subject, would love to be shown to be wrong.


558 posted on 07/13/2006 7:42:32 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Brother, can you Paradigm?)
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To: Donald Meaker
go read the other threads & you'll find the full answer to your post.

there were 3 "mostly coloured regiments". one from LA, one from MS & one from GA.

the VAST majority of Black veterans served in DESEGREGATED units, by mid-1862 & in the CS forces received FULL pay, by rank held.

in the union army, Blacks served under WHITE officers, in SEGREGATED units, at 1/2 pay of similar WHITE troops.

that too is FACT!

btw, the CSMC was totally DESEGREGATED by early 1862. the USMC was finally (partially) DESEGREGATED in 1944.

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562 posted on 07/13/2006 7:54:54 PM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: Donald Meaker

Full disclosure: My second wife is black, her family is from Mississippi. As they say "not a field hand in the bunch".

The relations between southern white men and slave women were very very close, and often amicable. Right up until the southern white men got a proper wife. Then she usually didn't care to see her husbands former paramours and toffee skinned children running around. Depending on the character of the southern white man (and that was quirky, to say the least) he would either establish them in busness outside of his wife's view, or sell them down south.

It was pretty common for white owners to show respect and concern for their servants. Being human, their servants responded well to it. Some, like REL's father in law, kept servants even when it didn't make business sense.

There was a reason why of the three people named as executor, only REL served as such. It was a tough job, and he was trying to avoid the all to common "sell the slaves south to pay off the debts". I can imagine that he worked up a righteous rage against the servants who ran off rather than work for 5 more years so that strings of naked slaves wouldn't have to be sold off, separating parents from children, husband from wife.

He was also trying not to sell off the property. Shall we agree that his motivations were.....complex?

By contrast, Grant lived a hand to mouth existance at Hard Scrabble, and inherited a slave. He gave that one his freedom within the week, when he could have sold him for 800 dollars. A noble deed, from a noble man.


563 posted on 07/13/2006 7:55:35 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (Brother, can you Paradigm?)
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To: Donald Meaker
I asked for a Black Regiment that fought for the Confederacy.

Unlike the north, the South didn't segregate blacks and whites into racially divided units.

Segregation didn't exist in the South, in it's northern institutionalized version, until after Redestruction.

573 posted on 07/14/2006 6:07:11 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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