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Yankee clauses dashed [Local landowner REALLY didn't like yankees...]
The Island Packet ^
| 07/06/2006
| JIM FABER
Posted on 07/06/2006 7:01:52 AM PDT by SquirrelKing
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To: Donald Meaker
given your OBVIOUS prejudice, i'm not surprised.
free dixie,sw
501
posted on
07/12/2006 8:03:54 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: usmcobra
NO yankee blood in my veins. my great aunt married a guy from ME during WW1 but i never knew him, as he died before WW2. they had no children.
free dixie,sw
502
posted on
07/12/2006 8:05:33 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: usmcobra
your post amounts to ZILCH (except you PERSONAL OPINION- as usual, you try to dress those IGNORANT opinions up & "try to peddle" them as facts. nonetheless, they remain just UNfounded opinions.) & is so far removed from REALITY, that i don't know where to start answering it.
therefore, i probably won't bother to.
free dixie,sw
503
posted on
07/12/2006 8:08:19 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: Donald Meaker
a typo, which the "spellchecker" didn't pick up. it is not infallible.
free dixie,sw
504
posted on
07/12/2006 8:09:39 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: M. Espinola
i give your post all the respect it deserves = NONE! just as i give you all the respect that you deserve = NONE!
free dixie,sw
505
posted on
07/12/2006 8:12:37 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: Donald Meaker
Chief Ross was a GOOD MAN but a miserable excuse for a war leader and/or a diplomat. (in his defense, by the time the WBTS broke out, he was "too tired & sick" to do much of anything.) age/infirmity comes to us all if we live long enough, but Ross should have resigned his post & retired, leaving the BIG job to a more forceful man.
i suggest that you desist from giving advice on what should have been done, as you seem to know almost nothing about the tribal politics of that time.
our GENERAL remains, with Sequoia, our TWO principal heroes.
free dixie,sw
506
posted on
07/12/2006 8:19:43 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: usmcobra
Interesting history. Thanks.
In the 1830s the US bypassed elected Cherokee officials and negotiated a treaty with a small group of others who were not authorized by Cherokee law to sign away Cherokee land. Seems like the treaty was simply a land grab by the government violating the earlier treaty.
To: Donald Meaker
ALL of the Confederates & the CSA Indian allies were traitors to the USA in EXACTLY the same way that Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, et.al. were traitors to GB.
in other words, they wanted FREEDOM!
as for treaties with the US, which treaty had the US government NOT been FAITHLESS in dealing with Indians???? (the correct answer is NONE! EVERY treaty was violated by the government, whenever it became profitable to abrogate each treaty.)
free dixie,sw
508
posted on
07/12/2006 8:24:53 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: M. Espinola
speaking of LOSERS, how are you today, LOSER???
still spouting laughable NONSENSE, which makes "good 'ole rebs" LOL at you & "the unionists" CRINGE that you claim to be "one of them", i see.
free dixie,sw
509
posted on
07/12/2006 8:27:46 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: M. Espinola
yet another DUMB-bunny post from FR's FOOL-IN-CHIEF = "m.eSPINola"!
laughing AT you & your DUMB-bunny, bigoted posts.
free dixie,sw
510
posted on
07/12/2006 8:30:01 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: usmcobra
interestingly enough, several scholars have considered those questions.
absent a WBTS or with a CSA winning her FREEDOM from the north, i think the following is likely,
1. there would have eventually been a similar situation between the USA & CSA as there is between Canada/USA now, i.e, peace & a long but peaceful border. for that reason, there would be little difference for many citizens of the CSA than there is now BUT the citizens of the CSA would have FAR LESS a distant & "controlling central government" than we have now.
SOME of the differences you MIGHT notice in touring a FREE dixie would be:
1. prayers in public schools & perhaps nuns/priests in LA schools (there would be MANY differences between the various states, which would be allowed) teaching. some states would ABSOLUTELY forbid abortion;some would allow it.
2.much lower taxes & few "Richmond bureaucrats" making rules for the CSA
3. a very large & well-armed National Guard, with a SMALL "professional" military. there might well be a large navy. the CSA would have learned that lesson during the "War for Freedom".
as for WW1/WW2, i think the south would have fought with GB as an ally, while the Union would have fought with Germany in WW1/WW2 or stayed neutral.
i think, had our forefathers WON their freedom from the union, the CSA would see herself as a VERY GOOD FRIEND of the British Empire & that GB & Europe would be the CSA's main marketplace.
free dixie,sw
511
posted on
07/12/2006 8:44:14 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: stand watie
Rebland wouldn't have lasted fifty years even had they won the Civil War. For one thing, there soon would have been a real war to the finish with the Americans. If the Confederate hotheads first went to war because they were afraid slavery would not be allowed to spread to the territories, they certainly would not stand by while a prosperous USA filled in the continental empty space with free states. Secondly a backward, feudal society would never survive the modern world. The Confederates did bad enough in the mid-1800s, but 20th century war would have been far beyond the CSA's capabilities. You can't build a modern nation while holding half of your inhabitants in bondage.
To: Colonel Kangaroo
you premises are FALSE, thus your argument, such as it is, falls of it's own ponderous weight.
absent the WBTS, OR with a dixie victory, slavery was DOOMED & wouldn't have lasted another 10-15 years. (my guess is, given the speed of the Industrial revolution coming to agriculture, that the "peculiar institution" would have died an UNlamented death in 5-10 years. take the PROFIT out of anything & in a free market, it DIES. the slavers were interested in NOTHING but $$$$$$$.)
as for expansion westward,what makes you think that an independent CSA wouldn't have spread to AR,CA,CO,NM, OK & perhaps other "unsettled areas" which are now states???
your "backward feudal society" comment is in a word: BUNK. the CSA, after winning her freedom, would have been a powerhouse of commerce, within a generation. GB & other countries would have RUSHED to trade with & invest IN the new country.
free dixie,sw
513
posted on
07/12/2006 9:24:09 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: usmcobra
No, I don't since Slavery still exists today in our own nation.(this is a link to proof!) Surely you understand the difference between antebellum slavery in the US and your 'proof'.
I mean, if you want to get stupid about it, I sell myself into slavery every morning at 06:30 and emancipate myself at 17:00, six days a week.
Since I am one of millions that do this every day, then I have 'proof' that, not only does slavery still exist in the US today, but it is widespread, condoned by everyone and enabled by the (yankee) government!
If the Confederacy had succeeded in sucession, it surely would have kept the institution of slavery legalized.
First of all, the Confederacy DID succeed in secession (BTW, check your spelling above).
The Confederacy DID NOT succeed in repelling the invasion of a foreign country and was, subsequently, occupied.
Secondly, it was in the Confederate Constitution! So what's your damn point?
Section 9 - Limits on Congress, Bill of Rights
4. No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed.
Section 2 - State citizens, Extradition
1. The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.
514
posted on
07/12/2006 9:54:40 AM PDT
by
cowboyway
(My heroes have always been Cowboys)
To: rustbucket
fwiw, i'm UNDERwhelmed with "DM", the crude & VULGAR person. obviously, he is far beneath the "minimal standards expected of gentlemen & ladies in decent society".
free dixie,sw
515
posted on
07/12/2006 9:55:10 AM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: Colonel Kangaroo
You can't build a modern nation while holding half of your inhabitants in bondage. Emphasis bump.
516
posted on
07/12/2006 11:45:56 AM PDT
by
mac_truck
( Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
To: stand watie
Were you sad when segregation ended? Does it still drive you bonkers?
517
posted on
07/12/2006 2:15:03 PM PDT
by
M. Espinola
(Freedom is never free)
To: stand watie
![](http://www.melaman2.com/cartoons/looney/0-sam/sam-a.jpg)
Doc, let's face it, you lost! - lolol
518
posted on
07/12/2006 2:18:44 PM PDT
by
M. Espinola
(Freedom is never free)
To: M. Espinola
NOPE, as i'm NOT a "white person", but i'd bet you WERE, as you seem to be either a prejudiced AND a BIGOT and/OR you are just a LITTLE TROLL, who just likes to cause "trouble"!
free dixie,sw
519
posted on
07/12/2006 2:44:33 PM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
To: M. Espinola
i see you're still posting SILLY cartoons that illustrate that you are TOO DUMB to be a FReeper & are ONLY either a TROLL or a FOOL. which is it????
free dixie,sw
520
posted on
07/12/2006 2:45:51 PM PDT
by
stand watie
( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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