Oh, the Freedom from Religion Foundation.
No doubt they are as objective as AIG. ;-)
(I will try to read up on the site later, I've bookmarked it...)
in fact, I can quote you a dozen authentic examples from the original source where he spoke favorable of Christianity, and particularly Catholicism.
Bill Clinton (not to mention Jimmuh Carter) have already provided ample evidence for us Freepers that a politician mouthing belief in Christianity is no guarantee of his bona fides.
By the way...
It is somewhat odd that some atheists seem anxious to claim Hitler as a Christian, but quickly exclude others (such as televangelists) from being Christian, on the grounds of far more menial (sexual) sins.
At first blush, that is. If it were nearly anyone else on this thread, I would have flamed them for this, but I have come to know you over a number of threads-- you take great efforts to maintain logical consistency and clarity of thought, for which you should be commended. Could you please fill in the philosophical "missing link" for the above circumstance? (Private Freepmail is good, too, if you find the subject too tiresome. I am NOT trying to bait you.)
Full Disclosure: I remember seeing an atheist at an invited talk at the University of Minnesota, and he proudly claimed that atheists walked along side the Rev. Martin Luther King...as though King's Christian faith was irrelevant to his committment to civil rights, and only the atheists deserved credit. Maybe the fact that it was oh-so-liberal Minnesota kept the speaker from publically criticizing a Black man. ;-)
Cheers!
Glad to see you're judging material on its merits, not on its source.
As I wrote, I've checked what Carrier claims, and it's true. Now, it is true I too am an atheist. You can therefore doubt my veracity on the same basis you doubt his. I could, I suppose, post scans of the relevant entries from the two German sources, but who knows, an eeeevil atheist might even fake those.
It is somewhat odd that some atheists seem anxious to claim Hitler as a Christian, but quickly exclude others (such as televangelists) from being Christian, on the grounds of far more menial (sexual) sins.
I have no interest in Hitler's religious beliefs, and post on them merely to counter the often-repeated claim that he was either atheist, Darwinist, or hostile to Christianity. He was none of those. He was an unobservant Roman Catholic.
BTW, I think you mean venial, not menial :-)
I don't exclude televangelists from being Christian. I use the same criteria for whether someone is Christian that the churches use, when they're trying to boost their membership numbers - declared affiliation. If you say you're Christian, I happily take your word for it.