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To: Havoc
If belief alone is the only qualifier, then how does that explain the Devil.

I'm not sure what you're asking here....

Well, let me first acknowledge and thank you for a lengthly and interesting response to this question.

This is what I'm getting at. If belief in who Christ is, absent works of any kind, is enough in and of itself, and we agree that the Devil also holds such beliefs (and arguably, your six points) then why is he not also graced by God.

Surely, none of Gods' creation, including the fallen angels, is beyond redemption. What is it that separates them, form us, if both believe the premises that you propose.

1,047 posted on 05/15/2006 5:33:15 AM PDT by csense
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To: csense

The problem with your question is that it doesn't stand true for the fallen angels and Satan. God hung himself on a cross to ransom mankind. Scripture tells us specifically what God has ruled will be the end for Satan and his ilk. I noted before that I did not understand the question you were asking.
It is now clear that you somehow think Satan would be able to be redeemed. Where you get this from is beyond me.

You say, 'surely non of God's creation, including fallen angels..' I would have to direct you to Revelation, Daniel, etc who speak directly to this matter. The fallen angels and Satan are beyond redemption. God has already judged their fate. That is what seperates them from us in this matter.


1,050 posted on 05/15/2006 5:41:36 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: csense
Surely, none of Gods' creation, including the fallen angels, is beyond redemption.
 
It appears that you may be mistaken:
 

NIV Matthew 25:41
   "Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
 
 
NIV Revelation 12:7-9
 7.  And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
 8.  But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
 
 
It echoes this sentiment:
 
NIV Joshua 24:15
   But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."

1,074 posted on 05/15/2006 9:47:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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