Evolution's bottom line

National Center for Science Education ^ | 12 May 2006 | Staff

[PatrickHenry]

In his op-ed "Evolution's bottom line," published in The New York Times (May 12, 2006), Holden Thorp emphasizes the practical applications of evolution, writing, "creationism has no commercial application. Evolution does," and citing several specific examples.

In places where evolution education is undermined, he argues, it isn't only students who will be the poorer for it: "Will Mom or Dad Scientist want to live somewhere where their children are less likely to learn evolution?" He concludes, "Where science gets done is where wealth gets created, so places that decide to put stickers on their textbooks or change the definition of science have decided, perhaps unknowingly, not to go to the innovation party of the future. Maybe that's fine for the grownups who'd rather stay home, but it seems like a raw deal for the 14-year-old girl in Topeka who might have gone on to find a cure for resistant infections if only she had been taught evolution in high school."

Thorp is chairman of the chemistry department at the University of North Carolina.

[Elsie]

But when different people do as you suggest, it often leads them to different religions...on these religion threads on FR, there was a poster, who related their own personal experience...I do not remember in which religion they were raised, and supported through much of their adulthood...but something led them to study another religion...they studied, and prayed, and read the Bible for guidance, and studied and prayer and read some more...and after much thought, and with what they believed was guidance from God, they put off their old faith, and joined a new faith...as I said, I cannot remember what their old religion was, but the new religion they embraced, was Mormonism....

1 John 4
1. Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
3. but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

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The cartoon of the small angel on one shoulder and a small devil on the other is quite accurate.

We HAVE to be able to discern which is talking to us or even if it's our own idea.

By turning to the LDS organization, one has to throw out solid biblical teachings and go on to things proposed by man; things that directly go against the bible.

You have to accept a man's word that 'the bible is "accurate", as long as it's translated properly'. He then goes on and TRIES to redo the NT in places and does even use any old Greek transcripts!

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I am not wooried about a person getting into a 'cult' as much as I do about them getting into nothing (which is really themselves.)

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God has said that if we seek Him with all our hearths, we WILL find him.

[Virginia-American]

It is a cult, imo, because it is based on faith and on a belief that humans are descendent from apes, which it's utterly nonsense.

So what's going on here?

Source

Or here See section 4 for a discussion of the shared mutation that prevents people, chimps, gorillas et al from making vitamin C.

There is a missing base pair *in the same place* in the genome of all the great apes. Everything else needed to make ascorbic acid is present, but this single mutation, shared by people and the other great apes but found nowhere else in the animal kingdom, blocks it.

What are the alternatives to common descent? The exact same mutation occurring independently at least six times? A "designer" with a really bad quality control program? A Biblical "fall" that punished gorillas for Adam's sin? What?

[Elsie]

 

 I have my answer.

 

You have nothing but your vain imaginings.

 

So, do YOU agree with Havoc's post? Do YOU think that the Catholic Church is a cult?

Or are you going to evade the question while tacitly supporting his statements?

 

Translation: "If you don't answer me (and I DEMAND an answer!) then you are an anti-Catholic bigot!"

 

 

Thanks; but I don't want to swing at your softballs.

 

You know NOTHING from an unanswered question.

[Elsie]

You got involved with your little snarky remarks about ME to Havoc.

Were they LIES?????

[Havoc]

No, I remember. Sorry. You may be able to get by with making statements publicaly and trying to rewrite history; but, you can't rewrite the memory of it that those of us who were there have. The only way you can get away with it is to try and make us all think we've just forgotten or mis-remembered. Ain't gonna work.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"LEt me see if I've got this right:

It's ok to use a Call to Authority if the Pope says we should not be against Evolution, but,

It's NOT ok to use a Call to Authority if the Pope calls Darwin (and evolution) racist?"

You got it wrong. Nobody has claimed that the Pope called Darwin or evolution racist.

"You have nothing but your vain imaginings."

You answered very clearly where you stand on the posts in question.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Were they LIES?????"

Yes.

[Havoc]

Yes. And the cults count on the illiteracy and try to supplant familiarity with the scriptures with their own histories, traditions and dogmas. They indoctrinate in their philosophy so that the philosophy is the lense they see scripture through rather than seeing it standing on it's own.
Catholics read scripture in light of Catholicism. Mormons read in light of Mormonism. Etc. When you divorce the ism from the reading, it's amazing how floored people are.

This is why Evolutionists get the mistaken impression that "christians" support Evolution. Christians have a really good idea what a Scientist is. Evolutionists have no bloody earthly idea what a Christian is. So anyone claiming it will serve the purpose..

[Elsie]

You ain't PH: HE made the statement I need clarified.

[Elsie]

You ain't PH: HE made the statement I need clarified.

[Elsie]

You answered very clearly where you stand on the posts in question.

You are still as obtuse as you were in the 'enemy' thread!

[Elsie]

Which ones?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"You are still as obtuse as you were in the 'enemy' thread!"

And you are still as unwilling to own up to that. Please, if you want, post that again here; let's see what people think of it. I wasn't the only one who read it as I did.

[Elsie]

Happy Mother's Day Night!

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Which ones?"

Your snarky statements about me to Havoc; you know, where you butted into the dispute to stir up more trouble.

[js1138]

I don't think biogenesis will be a mystery for long.

Long is a bit relative. It took a couple hundred years between Copernicus and Newton, and a couple hundred more years between Newton and Einstein. Deep mysteries take time.

You, however, are betting your whole worldview on the incredibly foolish notion that science will reach a brick wall. Your descendants will look upon you as a flat earther.