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To: sinkspur
I can't seem to find a single reference in anything Moynihan or Krauthammer said that mentions homosexuality.

Red herring. They both mentioned "deviancy" in the quote. You need a road map to put "deviancy" and "homosexuality" in the same room?

Or are you going to argue here and now that homosexuality is not deviant?

In the face of the mathematics and 5,000 years of human experience with deviant sexuality? Try me.

Would you point out where Moynihan or Krauthammer mentions homosexuals in reference to deviance?

Homework assignment as part of the fast shuffle. Keep trying to deflect the point, Sinky. I've still got you.

Nevertheless, here is Krauthammer:

But now that overt racial actions have been criminalized and are routinely punished, the threshold for deviancy has been ratcheted up. The project now is to identify prejudiced thinking, instincts, anecdotes, attitudes.

The great arena for this project is the American academy. The proliferation of speech codes on campuses, restrained only by their obvious unconstitutionality, was an attempt by universities to curtail speech that may cause offense to groups designated for special protection. A University of Michigan student, for example, offers the opinion in class that homosexuality is an illness, and finds himself hauled before a formal university hearing on charges of harassing students on the basis of sexual orientation.

The irony here is quite complete. It used to be that homosexuality was considered deviant. But now that it has been declared a simple lifestyle choice, those who are not current with the new definitions, and have the misfortune to say so in public, find themselves suspected of deviancy.

-- Ibid., p. 24.

So there is your quote. What's your next objection, or will you now try to change the subject again and, as you announced with a harrumph ever so many posts ago, that you are now ready to "move on"? Funny how that favorite phrase of the Clintonistas keeps issuing forth from your keyboard.

385 posted on 04/13/2006 10:04:18 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
Labeling homosexuality as an "illness," with the intent to strip away rights of the "ill" that others enjoy, may not be deviant, but that agenda is one to which I dissent, and that one IS a loser politically, and more and more so, as time goes on, but whether it is a winner or loser politically, is of small moment to me. It is wrong on my planet, and the wrong must be resisted, win, lose or draw, in order for me to be comfortable in my own skin, and with my own conscience.
386 posted on 04/13/2006 10:11:34 PM PDT by Torie
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To: lentulusgracchus; sinkspur

Great quote.


Sink, what do you have to say about Krauthammer's statements?


394 posted on 04/13/2006 10:23:12 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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