Posted on 04/05/2006 10:32:31 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
"Must make you proud inventing such an ignorant strawman argument. Do you have anything of substance to say about THIS find, or are you content to just make things up?"
To be sure, that was not a bad satire of the often ridiculous extrapolations made on popular "science" shows like "When Dinosaurs Roamed" (or whatever it was called). I mean, with a few exception, they don't know how these critters moved and certainly can't tell us much about how they behaved, but those programs make out as if we know as much about their behaviour and life cycle as we do African lions, for example. I wouldn't mind it too much if they would preface the show (and every return from a commercial) with a disclaimer that nearly everything you are about to see is highly (extremely highly) speculatory.
Now you're just lying.
Saying doesn't make it so. Do you have a specific objection or are you just in the mood to be contrary?
I dunno... maybe some do like that idea...
The analogy to red shift is also not sound scientifically, but as a lay explanation is fine. Don't ever confuse the two and forget DNA in living organisms propigated by reproduction over time is not the same as particles of light travelling in space.
Here is a better tree of life project.
Also, I am not sure if the text accompanying the post (10) is yours or from the project page in Arizona. eg, "Creationists are forever claiming that the evolutionary picture revealed by the evidentiary jigsaw puzzle is nothing more than the arbitrary result of our prejudices..."
Is this your writing or is it taken from the Arizona ToL project?
Thanks.
Did you write all that yourself?
no, the upsidedown darwin walking fish is a symbol of the theory of evolution is over...
Dinosaur science is a term that refers to older, less useful and informative methods being used. If you were a scientist you'd know that.
Mine. If I quote something, I always say so and give the source.
What a stupid remark. So if we find a fossil in the 21st century, it's 19th century research?
So, someone has actually observed something rise from nothing, observed life rise from non-life, observed multi-celled organisms rise from single-celled organisms, observed intelligence rise from non-intelligence? You've got yourself a scoop there, buddy.
No, most people have observed it including yourself. Evolution is defined simply as occurring change or change is ongoing or a observed fact. The Theory of Evolution explains the observed fact. For the simplest proof there are 6.7 billion people on earth and no two have been found to be exactly the same so some change has occurred. Get a picture of your parents and stand in front of a mirror. If you are exactly the same no change has occurred and you are a clone. However is if there is any difference, no matter how small, some change or evolution has occurred. Evolution whether by reproduction or nature is still change.
No one has observed something rise from nothing, observed life rise from non-life, observed multi-celled organisms rise from single-celled organisms, observed intelligence rise from non-intelligence, nor has science proclaimed to do so. It does not address things other than observed facts. That you would pretend that it does is dishonest and misinterpetation. The origin of life is your faith and belief and when you can present it as a material fact it will be explained by science.
Now if you have looked in that mirror, you may find that you are a clone in thought but you have changed as a material fact.
There's nothing "desparate [sic]" about reporting yet another find (out of countless thousands) which yet again match the predictions of evolutionary theory and thereby confirming evolution, while violating the predictions of the anti-evolutionists and thereby falsifying the beliefs of the anti-evolutionists. It happens on a daily basis.
What is "desparate [sic]" however, is the frantic hand-waving, frightened ridicule, rash straw men, urgent dismissals, and reckless insults employed by the anti-evolutionists in a frenzied attempt to try to convince anyone that these kinds of finds aren't actually the overwhelming confirmation of evolution that they obviously are.
If you're still unclear on the concept, read this: Explaining the Scientific Method.
"Actually, looking at the bones can give an excellent understanding of how they moved."
Up to a point. When I was child all the museums and books protrayed T.Rex and his close relatives as Godzilla-type creatures, standing up, quite improbably on their hind legs. Now they are pictured as carrying themselves much more like birds, with tail out behind and neck and head forward.
"Sure; but they don't, contrary to anti-evo belief, just make it up out of thin air."
They extrapolate so far from so little that they might almost as well. But of course those shows are not science, they're entertainment.
In your dreams. Meanwhile, the vast and overwhelming mountains of evidence and research findings confirming evolutionary biology, along multiple independent cross-confirming lines, continues to mount higher on a daily basis.
Are you sure you know what in the hell you're talking about?
Nonsense. Good science is good science and bad science is bad science, regardless of era.
Maxwell's Equations are still in use today. We still produce Sodium by the same basic method that Davy pioneered in 1807.
Thats trollhappy for ya.
I am going to go out on a limb and make a few bold predictions:
In his next few posts he will insult your knowledge and credentials. Then he will post pages of irrelevant information from random sources. Finally at the end of everything (after he takes his meds?) he'll say it was all a joke and you should lighten up.
I saw nothing in Strategerist's posting that suggests that he (or she, as the case may be) is "hoping" for anything. Why do you ask such a question?
...because that's the way Zavien Doombringer reaches *his* conclusions, and thus he (incorrectly) presumes that everyone else does likewise.
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