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Pigdog started responding to dozens of comments around post 310 to three days old comments and most of his arguements [sic] were void of any substance.

How old the comments are a person responds to is irrelevant and you know it. So typical of you to make something out of nothing. pigdog's arguments were on topic and IMO of substance -- they certainly were on topic whereas Shalom Israel's comments to pigdog were definitely off topic. And, Shalom Israel's posts to me were personal attacks. You had no comment about his personal attacks yet I think it safe to assume that you think those personal attacks are as acceptable, if not more so, than his off topic posts.

We need to get realistic about this. A fair tax will never never pass. It has too many opponents, IE democrats and AARP, and way too many chances of complete failure. You might end up with income tax and sales tax, and there's is a huge chance that democrats will raise the prebate, effectively making this a high income only tax.

I propose a flat tax. Almost Everyone pays 15% on their gross minus the poverty level income. Then we find an objective mathematical formula for what the poverty level is. This would make the system fair and cut taxes by a huge percent. This is also much easier to pass than the fair tax. You could market this to the masses by telling how you pay your fair share, and it doesn't matter how good your accountant is.

So typical of you to make something out of nothing. pigdog's arguments were on topic and IMO of substance -- they certainly were on topic whereas Shalom Israel's comments to pigdog were definitely off topic. And, Shalom Israel's posts to me were personal attacks.

Shalom's personal attacks were over the top, but those were several days old. Most of his recent posts were just off-topic posts to responds to anal comments from pigdog. Let's look at some of pigdog's comments, and the 'substance' they contained.

pigdog post 310: Nonsense, Finial. You've had it pointed out several times that the prebate is not a "guarantee" of anything, but is a refund of part of the taxes you'll have paid. Just like your April 15 tax refund presently.

A person/family qualifies for a prebate by being a citizen and applying. To say that it is a refund for taxes you'll have to pay is a lie. You get it no matter if you pay taxes or not.

pigdog post 312: Hi, Rightie. I see that you persist in you old, shopworn tactic that anyone in favor of the FairTax is a lian and thief - and has bad breath to boot. You may actually sucker a few who are uninformed and can't read into falling for that, but for the most part you're losing your battle to protect your little income tax niche.

Not even a hint of substance here, just personal attacks. You wouldn't even know that pigdog is attacking me for stating a well-founded truth, that Jorgenson's embedded tax number included taxes paid by the employee. Pigdog has no response to that often repeated lie by fairtaxes, so he just attacks and offers zero substance.

pigdog post 313: Sorry, Finial, it's no dole. It's a refund of some of the taxes you've paid.

Now pigdog repeats the same lie of 310 to bump the thread nonsensically.

pigdog post 316: In fact, Rightie, most people will be better off with respect to disposable personal income under the FairTax.

Pigdog ignores my comment about those with savings and fixed incomes will lose purchasing power. I agree, most will be better off, but not the ones I specifically pointed out. Just another pointless comment to shill for the fairtax and bump the thread.

pigdog post 317: Almost entirely rong Rightie. Savings are not taxed by the FairTax - consumption spending (or some part of it since not everything is taxed) is taxed. Savings & any earnings thereof remain untaxed. At present, whenever you buy something using tax or untaxed savings you still get nicked with the taxes embedded in prices since there's no free lunch, poddner!

pigdog making false claims. No where did I ever say savings are taxed by the FairTax.

pigdog post 318: You should talk to more people, then, and urge them to investigate what happens with the FairTax by visiting the FairTax website which has a wealth of economic data: http://www.fairtax.org/research.html Or get them a copy of The FairTax Book to read. Don't merely let them stick their heads in the sane like an ostrich. Help them learn.

Typical pigdog response. People can only oppose the fairtax if they do not accept the Fairtax propaganda hook, line and sinker. No substance, just a backhanded insult.

pigdog post 319: Then he's as misinformed as you. Help educate him.

pigdog being a bit more straightforward with his insult from the previous post.

pigdog post 322: No, I believe you're misunderstanding what he said. Perhaps you should read the bill and draw your own conslusions: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.25:

The poster made perfect sense, and all pigdog does is imply they are ignorant of the facts. Posts nothing of substance, just shameless promoting.

I could go on and on and on, but the picture is clear. Pigdog spams post after post to ignorantly bump the thread to shill for the fairtax. Zero substance, spinkled with insults and false accusation and outright lies.