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We need to get realistic about this. A fair tax will never never pass. It has too many opponents, IE democrats and AARP, and way too many chances of complete failure. You might end up with income tax and sales tax, and there's is a huge chance that democrats will raise the prebate, effectively making this a high income only tax.

I propose a flat tax. Almost Everyone pays 15% on their gross minus the poverty level income. Then we find an objective mathematical formula for what the poverty level is. This would make the system fair and cut taxes by a huge percent. This is also much easier to pass than the fair tax. You could market this to the masses by telling how you pay your fair share, and it doesn't matter how good your accountant is.

We need to get realistic about this.

Yes, we do. Compromising with those that have usurped authority is not a solution. Rather, it extends the problem. Akin to voting for the lesser of evils -- it always begets evil. The FairTax is not a compromise. It is the first step in route to the people retaking control of the federal government.

A fair tax will never never pass. It has too many opponents, IE democrats and AARP,

Usurped authorities.

and way too many chances of complete failure.

Because it doesn't play the bogus authorities' rules?

You might end up with income tax and sales tax,

That can happen right now. The FairTax eliminates the income tax and abolishes the IRS, the muscle.

and there's is a huge chance that democrats will raise the prebate, effectively making this a high income only tax.

chance, chance chance. It's not huge, its tiny. Once the people mobilize to demand the FairTax and get it they will be invigorated to never again rest on their laurels. In this fight to take back the government this first battle will be the most empowering.

I propose a flat tax. Almost Everyone pays 15% on their gross minus the poverty level income. Then we find an objective mathematical formula for what the poverty level is. This would make the system fair and cut taxes by a huge percent. This is also much easier to pass than the fair tax. You could market this to the masses by telling how you pay your fair share, and it doesn't matter how good your accountant is.

How far along are you on your proposed flat tax "plan"? What is the bill number in the House and Senate? I notice your proposed "plan" keeps the IRS muscle. The IRS turns justice on its head by deeming its victims guilty until proven innocent.

We need to get realistic about this. A fair tax will never never pass. It has too many opponents, IE democrats and AARP, and way too many chances of complete failure.

You are correct, it is a complete failure, as proposed, in that it will promote a criminal black market, provide incentive for government to increase the cost of goods, double tax many Americans and necessitate an enormous increase in government in order to ensure compliance.

You might end up with income tax and sales tax, and there's is a huge chance that democrats will raise the prebate, effectively making this a high income only tax.

We will probably end up with a consumption based tax at a more realistic level, perhaps a straight 8-10% without all the inclusive rate bs and prebates, probably excluding only neccessities like food and housing. Coporate income tax, capitol gains tax, and taxes on those earning under 40K could be eliminated. We could then go to a flat income tax of somewhere in the neighborhood of 20% for those earning more than $40K, and reduce the SS tax down to something like 5%.