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Bush will win on Immigration to save the Republican Party.

Posted on 03/27/2006 9:53:41 AM PST by Pukin Dog

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To: markman46

Sounds fair. They know what they're hirin'. (Be a bit of shock to my mom, though...)


101 posted on 03/27/2006 10:20:38 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Pukin Dog

It's not that simple. Not that simple at all. We have a problem. Yes, it's going to be difficult to send millions of illegals back across the border.

I say that we cut off their jobs by beginning to enforce laws against hiring them. Start busting the mini-van drivers picking them up at the local Home Depot. Send the ICE guys into every restaurant in each city. Move on to the motels. Arrest the managers and owners of these businesses for hiring illegals.

That'll do it. No jobs...no money...the illegals will start heading home.

Make it clear that if you hire an illegal, you stand a pretty good chance of going to a federal lockup.

Then, once the numbers have been reduced, start whatever program you like to bring legal immigrants in to fill all those jobs, if they don't get filled with American workers.

Your plan is just capitulation. I don't like capitulating very much.


102 posted on 03/27/2006 10:20:59 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Pukin Dog

What will happen when the population of illegals swell before the cutoff date for qualifying for worker program? What will happen when temporary worker pays and gets a temporary live in American familly and claims American dependents before he can be deported? What happens when they marry an American citizen? There are many IRS loop holes that will allow the guest worker to stay. What if most of the guest workers go underground when the deadline date to return arrives?? We cannot track students who exceed their visas, how is the INS going to track 11 to 25 million workers who decide to disappear? You claim small businesses will turn on the GOP if these laws passes. Pass the law and the GOP conservatives sit home and the Democrats will come to power. How would small businesses like to try making a living when the Dems pass one mandate and reg after another, and increase their business costs?


103 posted on 03/27/2006 10:21:01 AM PST by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Do you really think the Democrats have a winner here? Here's what the Democrats have to convince the American people of:

Democrats: There are no jobs!
Democrats: We don't have enough workers! We need millions of illegals and more guest workers to fill all of these unfilled jobs!

Democrats: So many Americans living in poverty!
Democrats: Import massive numbers of poverty cases into the US so they can hold down the wages of the citizens who are living in poverty...and take their jobs!

Democrats: There is a widening gap between rich and poor!
Democrats: Let's allow millions of cheap labor illegal immigrants into the US to hold down the wages of the poor and allow the rich to keep more of their money by paying slave wages to their labor!

Yeah, the Democrats really got themselves a winner there.


104 posted on 03/27/2006 10:21:22 AM PST by Jim_Curtis (Massive immigration is a modern day slave trade with the poorest citizens feeling the whip)
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To: thoughtomator
Funny, they DID enforce immigration laws when it came to sending a boatload of Jews back to Nazi Germany...

Are you suggesting that Vicente Fox wishes to commit genocide against his own people?

105 posted on 03/27/2006 10:21:47 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Protagoras

Well, there is only so much you can do for, or with, Mexico. I don't think your solution works, because as you point out it is a kleptocracy. So the place to begin is tough enforcement. They were a kleptocracy 75 years ago and there was no problem.


106 posted on 03/27/2006 10:21:47 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: Pukin Dog

>>>Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony, if that bill does not include the migrant worker program (call it amnesty if you want) needed to hold onto Business and Hispanic support for the Republican Party>>>

You are correct with Mr. "I love an illegal alien and I'm in love with Vicente Fox even though he absolutely hates America" Bush.


107 posted on 03/27/2006 10:21:55 AM PST by sandbar
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To: Pukin Dog

Rah rah rah - sis boom bah.


108 posted on 03/27/2006 10:22:03 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: zook
It's always time to talk about racial prejudice in the dark holes of Free Republic.

I just think you don't like non-Mexicans.

109 posted on 03/27/2006 10:23:16 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: blaquebyrd; zook
Is it time to play the race card already?

I'm surprised it was played this late in the thread.

The pro criminal illegal alien crowd must have been sleeping late today.

110 posted on 03/27/2006 10:23:18 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Pukin Dog
Bush will likely veto any bill making illegal immigration a felony

I hope they will make penalties stiffer for people that hire (enable) illegals.

111 posted on 03/27/2006 10:23:34 AM PST by Mike Darancette (In the Land of the Blind the one-eyed man is king.)
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To: acrosoc101

I ALREADY HAVE... and will continue to do so.


112 posted on 03/27/2006 10:23:37 AM PST by johnny7 (“Nah, I ain’t Jewish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.”)
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To: TomasUSMC

Ok, but now how do you know they're illegal?


113 posted on 03/27/2006 10:23:54 AM PST by zook
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To: Pukin Dog

If my senator or congressman is more concerned with getting the pro-illegal alien vote then he can kiss mine behind because I don't want him representing me!

I am so sick of the politicians in this country bowing to allowing the borders to be open like a floodgate because they are scared of the current hispanic voters.


114 posted on 03/27/2006 10:23:54 AM PST by sandbar
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To: markman46
how do you propose getting rid of 20 million people????,

Don't worry about that right now. Just stop them getting in, then we can afford to be merciful to the ones that are already here -- maybe. But until they can't come in with impunity, any guessworkee program is just going to create another huge sucking sound. BTW, to all, I've been remembering the debate on the 1986 Amnesty, how it was to be a one-time amnesty in conjunction with strict border controls. Didn't happen, did it. No amnestia hasta los borders seguridades.

115 posted on 03/27/2006 10:23:58 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (War today is always cheaper than war tomorrow.)
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To: oblomov

he had lots of ideas, but remind me please


116 posted on 03/27/2006 10:24:11 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Junior_G

No, I'm just remarking how selective immigration enforcement seems to be in this country... to my knowledge, WW2 was the last time there was any serious enforcement.


117 posted on 03/27/2006 10:24:33 AM PST by thoughtomator (Pacifism is objectively pro-terrorist)
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To: TomasUSMC
I think something else is going on. Up here in Michigan I have never seen so many Illegals as I have seen this year.

The politicians are talking about amnesty for the illegals that are already here. The mere fact that they are discussing it is going to encourage much more illegal immigration by those wanting to get in on the action.

118 posted on 03/27/2006 10:24:43 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: Pukin Dog
Thanks for the rant - I've been beating my head against the wall trying to say pretty much the same thing, but too mant Freepers think that the same inanity that they find so helpful when the Dims do it, is a viable option for them too. They naysay and howl and cry about things they have strong emotions and opinions about, but don't have the full spectrum view they need in order to really understand the dilemma. All their arguments end up bolstering the Dim attack machine by attacking the Prez from the opposite philosophical standpoint and putting him in an untenable position. They hearten the enemy (MSM and Dims) by doing this and make it unlikely that even a start will be made on the issue.

Keep fighting for sanity!

119 posted on 03/27/2006 10:24:57 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Pukin Dog

"Do you want to be right, or do you want to win?"

At times this is the only way Americans can communicate with political leaders: by "sticking to our guns".
If our president is not doing what we elected him to do, then what good will it do to elect someone like him who saw that he was successful in acting against the wishes of his supporters?
(Also I believe your question may be an `all or nothing' informal fallacy. It is possible to be right and to win, e.g. USSCChief Justice Roberts.)


120 posted on 03/27/2006 10:24:57 AM PST by tumblindice
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