"Trying to browbeat people by using the Bible in poor quality arguments and then complaining when you are called on it speaks against your sincerity."
It was not my intent to "browbeat" anyone with scripture. In truth, if one doesn't believe in scripture then it would be a useless weapon to beat them with. Also, I was not attempting to prove the truth of creationism by quoting scripture, because as I just stated, it is not a common frame of reference. It would be meaningless as a means of proof to those holding naturalistic only views.
The whole reason I even got involved in this thread is that way back someone was incredious that another poster had indicated that all persons today descended from Noah and his sons. I simply stated that is what the Bible clearly teaches and I didn't expect them to believe it. I was just affirming what the person was incredious about to be correct. It wasn't meant to be an apologetic. Just a simple statement of what scripture plainly states. If you will read everything I wrote, I never said anything about evolution. I just affirmed a belief in scripture that many hold.
Then someone, I can't remember which one, proceeded to use profanity (forbidden on this forum) to describe a clear statement I made directly relating what scripture says. Now you can call me whatever you want, but attacking scripture with profanity is off limits. If what I quoted was so backward, then they should have ignored it - it was a single very small post. However, they couldn't keep from making derogulatory, and profanely so, statements about the veracity of scripture and those that believe it.
I am somewhat bemused that they would even bother. I wasn't talking about what they call "science", which is supposedly their concern. I was briefly quoting "scripture." They are openly hostile towards scripture, a fact I then became interested in nailing down. This doesn't prove or disprove anything relative to evolution or creationism, but it does show where folks values are.
If you don't believe it, fine. Just don't go out of your way to slap those that do. I did not slap them, but I did point out their lack of common decency. Some of these folks just pontificate way too much. Their vanity is distressing. They maintain these enormous lists of all their great "posts" like they were military decorations. I cannot understand what drives them. They maintain some sort of constant vigil looking for someone to even remotely express a faith that would conflict with their "paradigm." Then they pounce and add another "link" to their list of decorations. Is this really "sane" behavior?
OK, I have now written more than I should. I being as bad as those I escew. Time for me to shut up.
Do you know the difference between profanity and vulgarity?
You expressed a position that Noah, sons and spouses could have populated the earth is not biologically valid.
You might have said that it was miraculous and probably no one would have called you on it. Biologically it doesn't work.
What do you have against miracles?
No, that is *not* all that you "simply stated". If that was all you had said, no one would have taken issue with it.
You made an additional, non-scriptural claim about that scenario:
"That would ensure sufficient genetic diversity to account for all current races and ethnic groups."THAT -- your claim about the biology of the situation -- your claim that five distinct sets of genes (Noah's sons would not have separate genes, so it's just Noah, his wife, and the three daughters-in-law) would "ensure sufficient genetic diversity to account for all current races and ethnic groups" are what people took issue with, because from a biological standpoint, it's quite false.
Yet again, as I've already explained to you, pointing out the falseness of that part of your post is not an "attack on scripture", since the Noah story might be true by other means, but the point is that by whatever means it may have occurred, it could *not* have occurred by via the incorrect method you assert -- by five people containing within themselves enough genetic diversity to produce modern humanity.
I was just affirming what the person was incredious about to be correct.
No, you made an *additional* claim about how the genetics would work.
It wasn't meant to be an apologetic.
That wasn't the problem with your post that people were taking issue with.
Just a simple statement of what scripture plainly states.
No, wrong -- scripture does not state, "plainly" or otherwise, that five people "would ensure sufficient genetic diversity to account for all current races and ethnic groups". Scripture in fact makes no statement about where modern genetic diversity comes from. Don't blame your own claims about genetics on scripture, they aren't in there.
If you will read everything I wrote, I never said anything about evolution.
We never said you did. You did, however, make a false claim about genetics.
I just affirmed a belief in scripture that many hold.
...and then went on to make a claim that does not come from scripture.
Then someone, I can't remember which one,
That would be me.
proceeded to use profanity (forbidden on this forum)
"BS" is practically mainstream...
to describe a clear statement I made directly relating what scripture says.
One. More. Time. I had no beef with what you said about scripture, I had a beef with what you said about genetics which you said IN ADDITION TO what you said about scripture.
Now you can call me whatever you want, but attacking scripture with profanity is off limits.
...and that's why I didn't do that.
If what I quoted was so backward, then they should have ignored it - it was a single very small post. However, they couldn't keep from making derogulatory, and profanely so, statements about the veracity of scripture and those that believe it.
I don't. You shouldn't keep making derogatory statements about something I never did.
I am somewhat bemused that they would even bother.
Because I don't like to leave falsehoods uncorrected.
I wasn't talking about what they call "science", which is supposedly their concern.
One. More. Time. You went beyond merely describing what scripture says, and you made your own claim (*NOT* from scripture) about genetics. That *is* about science. Nothing in scripture makes any such claim about the genetics. That was *your* addition. Stop hiding behind scripture, I was taking issue with *your* claim, not claims made in scripture itself.
I was briefly quoting "scripture."
Go right ahead.
They are openly hostile towards scripture,
Yet another lie about me. Thanks!
a fact I then became interested in nailing down.
It looked a lot more like you were trying to call me a blasphemer for taking issue with *your* false claim (not scripture's claim) about what is and is not possible with the genetics of a five-person founder population.
This doesn't prove or disprove anything relative to evolution or creationism, but it does show where folks values are.
Yes, it shows that you mistake your own presumptions about genetics for scripture, and try to denounce me as a blasphemer for pointing out that you have the genetics wrong.
If you don't believe it, fine. Just don't go out of your way to slap those that do. I did not slap them, but I did point out their lack of common decency. Some of these folks just pontificate way too much. Their vanity is distressing. They maintain these enormous lists of all their great "posts" like they were military decorations. I cannot understand what drives them. They maintain some sort of constant vigil looking for someone to even remotely express a faith that would conflict with their "paradigm." Then they pounce and add another "link" to their list of decorations. Is this really "sane" behavior?
Are you done ranting about us now? Are you ready to return to the subject at hand and deal with the fact that you made a NONscriptural claim, and we pointed out that the claim was incorrect? Or do you want to get hysterical some more and accuse us of blasphemy for pointing out that you (not scripture) made an error in your statement about genetics?
OK, I have now written more than I should. I being as bad as those I escew.
No, you're being worse -- you have made multiple false and defamatory accusations against me.
Time for me to shut up.
Not until you apologize for your false accusations, or at the very least retract them.