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To: microgood
I am not saying intellectual inquiry should end. What I am saying is that science makes certain assumptions and if those assumptions are wrong for a given field, the science around those assumptions is probably wrong as well.

Interesting. Can you think of any field other than biology that requires supernatural intervention in its explanations? Geology? Physics?

Exactly where do you want to insert the miracles?

289 posted on 03/10/2006 7:36:29 PM PST by js1138
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Exactly where do you want to insert the miracles?

Exactly what is a miracle, scientifically speaking?

290 posted on 03/10/2006 7:39:30 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138

Let's insert a miracle at the point where a fairly substantial amount of water becomes wine in a very short period of time. What, scientifically speaking, is "supernatural" about such an occurence? Oh. It doesn't happen every day? Neither does a nuclear explosion. Neither does your birth into this world.

In the case of this well-attested "miracle" it starts as a liquid and ends as a liquid. The chemical makeup of water and wine, on a percentage basis, is how much different one from the other? Not much different. If you were the one who designed and manufactured H2O how much trouble would it be to tweak it on a special occasion just to point something out? Not much trouble, but very much worth it, especially if one's life were at stake.

None of the things related by the biblical texts and reported as "miracles" are so preposterous as to throw into doubt physical reality, scientific certitude, or the "course of nature." The supernatural nature of reality comes into play when thought comes into play. Here we are dealing with more than flesh and blood. Here we are dealing with principlities and powers which, while not currently under the purview of general science, are no less real than the screens before our eyes.


304 posted on 03/10/2006 8:01:24 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: js1138
Interesting. Can you think of any field other than biology that requires supernatural intervention in its explanations? Geology? Physics?

I don't think any of them require supernatural intervention. There just may be some cases where the scientific explanation is wrong as a result of certain assumptions. The assumption of randomness is an example of that. Universal common descent is another (all the way back to a single life form).

Exactly where do you want to insert the miracles?

In the big bang theory, it would be what caused the big bang; in life, it would be what caused the creation of life. Two phenomena that we already know science cannot explain. Maybe there are other things as well.
332 posted on 03/10/2006 10:29:47 PM PST by microgood
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