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Creationism to be taught on GCSE science syllabus (you can't keep a good idea down)
The Times of London ^ | 10 March 2006 | Tony Halpin

Posted on 03/09/2006 6:55:14 PM PST by Greg o the Navy

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To: jennyp
If a rock falls and breaks into three smaller rocks, all sitting on the flat surface of the ground, how many objects are there? Three rocks? Three rocks and a triangle? Where did that fourth object, the triangle, "come from"?

Jenny, this has become boring… Where does intelligence come from in an ultimately mindless universe? It’s an intrinsic quality Jenny… Continue breaking rocks and get back to me…

281 posted on 03/10/2006 7:29:08 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Luis Gonzalez
. . . that you would use the force of government to force the teaching of Creation on children to "save them."

Nope. I subscribe to the notion that all people who pay for public schools are entitled to have all ideas presented to them. I am not afraid to have the evolutionist point of view expressed in public to my children. You, OTOH, are so chicken you think you need to have the notion of intelligent design quarantined from your children. Ha!

282 posted on 03/10/2006 7:29:15 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ml1954

What are your choices? I’m curious…


283 posted on 03/10/2006 7:31:17 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: jennyp

See my #280, 20 seconds after yours.


284 posted on 03/10/2006 7:31:21 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: King Prout
. . . the law of unpredictable consequences is NOT a general law of complete unpredictability . . .

Well, it's still a handy law to invoke whenever things don't turn out the way we expect. It's one of those laws I'd take a shining to real quick. Have a good evening, and thanks for the rejoinders.

285 posted on 03/10/2006 7:32:52 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: PatrickHenry
I figured, no reply to my post, just a feeble attempt to assault my sanity, or my intelligence. It sounds about right though, pick through a statement, and choose what you want to reply to.
286 posted on 03/10/2006 7:33:11 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: whispering out loud

"This would mean that there would still be "monkeys evolving into apes", as well as "apes evolving into men" meaning the transitional species would be living, breathing in existence. They're not there, I don't look around and see a "half man, half ape", nor other transitions between existing species. If evolution were such a well supported theory, then why prey tell is it that the more evidence presented me about evo, the less I believe it?"

You have evolution all wrong. Evolution is not a constant point A to point B process. There were many half men half apes, but they were all killed off, because our species was smarter than them. As short as 100,000 years ago there was more than one species of human. Even within our species we have different races, that if seperated for thousands upon thousands of years would become seperate species. White people are white because humans with dark skin couldn't reproduce well enough in northern climates, where there isn't as much sun.

Now give me one piece of evidence, one, that suggests god even exists. No quoting bibles, I want evidence god exists.


287 posted on 03/10/2006 7:34:55 PM PST by RHINO369
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To: whispering out loud
Try this: Morton's Demon. Why so many have trouble with evolution.
288 posted on 03/10/2006 7:35:18 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: microgood
I am not saying intellectual inquiry should end. What I am saying is that science makes certain assumptions and if those assumptions are wrong for a given field, the science around those assumptions is probably wrong as well.

Interesting. Can you think of any field other than biology that requires supernatural intervention in its explanations? Geology? Physics?

Exactly where do you want to insert the miracles?

289 posted on 03/10/2006 7:36:29 PM PST by js1138
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To: js1138
Exactly where do you want to insert the miracles?

Exactly what is a miracle, scientifically speaking?

290 posted on 03/10/2006 7:39:30 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: jennyp
"If a rock falls and breaks into three smaller rocks, all sitting on the flat surface of the ground, how many objects are there? Three rocks? Three rocks and a triangle? Where did that fourth object, the triangle, "come from"?"

Wow, what profound wisdom, you do realize that if this phenomenon where to occur, the triangle existed long before the phenomena. Triangles were apparent throughout nature before your rock ever broke. After a statement like this, you have no room to infer lack of anyones intelligence. Please attempt to make a coherent statement before blatant attacks.

291 posted on 03/10/2006 7:40:46 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: Fester Chugabrew; jennyp
Natural selection is not presented only as an explanantion of current speciation (within limits) but also as an explanation for the diverse species as developed from simpler to more complex forms.

Um, natural selection is a cause of adaptation, not speciation.

Where do you get this notion that "natural selection" is conceived by evolutionists as being a cause of speciation? Seriously. I've never come across it.

Now granted natural selection might play a helping role sometimes. Say for instance that two populations within a species have already begun to drift apart a bit genetically. Maybe because they've been, just by chance, not by "natural selection," physically isolated for a while, and then come back into contact. Or maybe they develop slightly different habits. Maybe for instance some fruit flies take to mating on green apples, and others on ripe ones.

Whatever. It's not adaptive, it's just by chance. But now the populations, call them type A and type B, have drifted apart enough that they can still mate, but when they do so their fertility is lowered. Now there will be a selective advantage for members of the species to recognize whether a potential mate is a type A or type B, and only mate with a matching type. The selective force might then cause the populations to accentuate differences in mating rituals and signals like dances, coloring and calls.

IOW natural selection affects adaptation, and in some cases that might help the speciation process along, but only once it's already been started. Again I'm not aware of anyone arguing that natural selection initiates speciation, or is the principle cause thereof.

292 posted on 03/10/2006 7:43:24 PM PST by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: jennyp

Natural selection is a fancy name for the observation that, if your ancestors had no offspring, you will have no offspring, either.


293 posted on 03/10/2006 7:44:33 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Exactly what is a miracle, scientifically speaking?

There is no answer to that because science only looks for phenomena that are regular and unchanging in character over time. The lack of explanation in science is not seen as evidence for anything. It is simply the lack of an explanation.

294 posted on 03/10/2006 7:45:22 PM PST by js1138
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To: Heartlander

What are your choices? I’m curious…

The rational ones. I reject choices that are not rational.

295 posted on 03/10/2006 7:45:33 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: King Prout
on another note, virgin birth is not ruled out by biology. look into parthenogenesis, for starters.

A rather feminist outlook, though.

296 posted on 03/10/2006 7:46:12 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: ml1954

Does your mind ultimately come from mindlessness?


297 posted on 03/10/2006 7:48:00 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: Heartlander

Does your mind ultimately come from mindlessness?

Does something come from nothing? Does white come from black? Does inside come from outside? How far do you want to go with this? And what does it have to do with the TOE?

298 posted on 03/10/2006 7:54:45 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: microgood
Most theories change over time as new information is developed. And earlier notions get thrown away. If science is a truth, it is a forever shifting one

But it always knows which of its truths are tentative and which are more certain. The truths it has discovered that the world is round, the moon orbits it, etc. are forever.

299 posted on 03/10/2006 7:55:38 PM PST by Bingo Jerry (Bing-freaking-go!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Nonsense. What are you basing that on?


300 posted on 03/10/2006 7:56:17 PM PST by Bingo Jerry (Bing-freaking-go!)
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