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To: ToryHeartland
Intelligent explanations of the real issue here would be appreciated!

Sadly, you are unlikely to find any such explanations here. But I'll give it a try.

Evangelical Christians, a group I count myself among, believe in the Biblical story of creation, which is incompatible with evolution. Before you say that in Genesis, a day could mean a long time, do a google search on the meaning of the hebrew word 'yom'. Suffice it to say, the grammar and sentence construction of the Biblical creation is not compatible with evolution. We think that schools should recognize that evolution is far from proven and quit teaching it like it's some kind of indisputable fact.

Evolutionists feel like this push is an assault on science straight from the dark ages. They feel like ID isn't science and is designed to tear down evolution and thus, devalue science and the scientific method. They think the ultimate end result of this will be a return to charging scientists with witchcraft and setting up a Taliban-style religious theocracy.

As for this article, asking the churches to get behind evolution is nuts. The evangelical churches aren't going to support something that disagrees with their beliefs.
8 posted on 02/20/2006 5:46:54 AM PST by JamesP81
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To: JamesP81
Before you say that in Genesis, a day could mean a long time, do a google search on the meaning of the hebrew word 'yom'. Suffice it to say, the grammar and sentence construction of the Biblical creation is not compatible with evolution.

Unless you can accept the Bible sometimes uses metaphoric expressions. When the Bible talks about serpents, I understand it as usually talking about Satan and evil and not a literal snake. The idea that a day must be taken in the literal sense even before the day was invented is kind of odd. Just because the rest of the Bible uses 'day' literally does not completely rule out the possibility that Genesis could have used it metaphorically. It is a good arguement, but not an absolute one.

18 posted on 02/20/2006 6:14:31 AM PST by Always Right
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To: JamesP81
 
Evangelical Christians, a group I count myself among, believe in the Biblical story of creation, which is incompatible with evolution.
 
 

As well as OTHER things troughout the Bible!
 
 
Most Christians 'believe' Evolution because they do NOT know what their Bible says. 
If, as they say, they 'believe' the words of Jesus and the New Testament writers,
they have to decide what the following verses mean:
 
Acts 17:26-27
 26.  From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
 27.  God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.
 
 
Romans 5:12-21
 12.  Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned--
 13.  for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
 14.  Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
 15.  But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
 16.  Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.
 17.  For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
 18.  Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men.
 19.  For just as through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
 20.  The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
 21.  so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
 
 
If there were  no one man, that means SIN did NOT enter the World thru him.
 
If Adam was NOT the one man, that means SPIRITUAL DEATH did not come thru him.
 
If SIN did NOT enter the World thru the one man, that means Jesus does not save from SIN.
 
 
Are we to believe that the one man is symbolic?  Does that mean Jesus is symbolic as well?
 
 
The Theory of Evolution states that there WAS no one man, but a wide population that managed to inherit that last mutated gene that makes MEN different from APES.
 
 
 Acts 17:24-26

 24.  "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
 25.  And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything, because he himself gives all men life and breath and everything else.
 26.  From one man he made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.

Was LUKE wrong about this?


 
 
1 Corinthians 11:8-9
 8.  For man did not come from woman, but woman from man;
 9.  neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
 
1 Timothy 2:13
  For Adam was formed first, then Eve.  
 

 
 
Was Paul WRONG about these???
 

 
If so, is your GOD so puny that He allows this 'inaccuracy' in His Word??

50 posted on 02/20/2006 7:19:05 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: JamesP81
Evangelical Christians, a group I count myself among, believe in the Biblical story of creation, which is incompatible with evolution.

I would not presume to argue with you on that. As it happens, I am also a Christian (CoE), send my children to a church school, but do not share your interpretation of the Bible. Which is neither here nor there, really, but the discussion (were we to pursue it) would be about religion, not science. If it is your sincerely held belief that science is in conflict with your faith, then I can understand why you might choose to ignore or discount science for yourself and your offspring. But I am struggling to understand the proponents of ID who insist it is a scientific challenge to Darwin.

78 posted on 02/20/2006 7:45:42 AM PST by ToryHeartland
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To: JamesP81
Before you say that in Genesis, a day could mean a long time, do a google search on the meaning of the hebrew word 'yom'. Suffice it to say, the grammar and sentence construction of the Biblical creation is not compatible with evolution.

This problem is resolved if you consider that it could have been a literal 24-hour day for God, but thousands of years in Earth time.
265 posted on 02/20/2006 11:39:35 AM PST by joseph20
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To: JamesP81

ping


333 posted on 02/20/2006 12:35:10 PM PST by southland (Nietzsche said God was dead- he lied!)
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