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To: freedumb2003
Creationism as generally discussed on this forum and most other says that God created Man: {poof} as literally stated in Genesis. This says that Evolution did not happen/is not happening.

False statement.

Creationism, as discussed on this forum says God created Man (along with other life on Earth) and it evolved from there.

I've seen more than one creationist make the statement that they didn't have a problem with evolution UNTIL it tried to justify that initial creation.

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Evolution is silent on what happens outside of observable evidence and events.

Odd. I know for a fact we were taught the first life on Earth 'slithered out of the primordial ooze' in science class. As far as I know, no one was around to observe that.

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You can believe in a God that created the Universe and set in motion all the mechanism we see

Which was pretty much the point I was making....but you DID say it better.

:-)

76 posted on 02/20/2006 7:45:15 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am NOT a ~legal entity~, nor am I a *person* as created by law!)
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To: MamaTexan
Evolution is silent on what happens outside of observable evidence and events.

Odd. I know for a fact we were taught the first life on Earth 'slithered out of the primordial ooze' in science class. As far as I know, no one was around to observe that.

By observable, I mean that we observe (and measure and categorize, etc.) things and draw conclusions from those observations. There is a linear path between the data points (observations) and the conclusions. There is a lot of dicussion and debate within the scientific community as to what that line looks like but those discussions are based purely on what is observed -- NOT external supernatural intervention.

90 posted on 02/20/2006 8:05:07 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: MamaTexan
"Creationism, as discussed on this forum says God created Man (along with other life on Earth) and it evolved from there."

The more hardcore creationists will claim that no change has ever or will ever occur. Everything we see now, have ever seen, or will ever see is precisely as God created it per Genesis. Of course, one can show this to be wrong on its face with some very simple lab experiments, but that never stops those who are hardcore in whatever they believe.

"didn't have a problem with evolution UNTIL it tried to justify that initial creation."

The Theory of Evolution says nothing about the creation of life; only how life has changed over time and why.

"I know for a fact we were taught the first life on Earth 'slithered out of the primordial ooze' in science class."

The theory of Abiogenesis is a seperate and different theory than the Theory of Evolution. An argument against Abiogenesis is meaningless in a discussion of the ToE. It'd be like trying to disprove the theory of Theory of Evolution by poking holes in Quantum Mechanics.

That's 80% of the problem in this whole argument; few seem to even understand the argument itself. Admittedly, part of this stems from the fact that even some self-proclaimed ToE supporters don't understand the theory. Those of us who are truly interested in science have no problem with the Theory of Evolution being taught in schools as just that: a theory (in the scientific meaning of the term, not the common usage). However, I don't wish to see religious beliefs injected into science classrooms anymore than I wish to see physicists sitting in religion classrooms tearing religious beliefs apart.
444 posted on 02/20/2006 2:06:29 PM PST by NJ_gent (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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