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To: bondserv
Our Declaration of Independence contradicts the core beliefs of Evolutionists. It is hard to call on a Source superior to all men, when that superior Source is not a definer of rights. Anything else leaves us with, "He with the biggest guns makes the rules", completely disarming freedom. A theistic evolutionist strips the superior Source of His personal attention to individuals in His creation.

You are the first persom to EVER use the Declaration of Independence as science text. Please provide the cross-reference to or from other scientific works. What does the Declaration say about Evolution? About Physics? (standard CRIDer run/fallacy #2: Strawman and #4: Begging the question)

No one is attempting to deny God. This is a standard CIDer canard and strawman. Science is silent on God and attempts to explain how things work and why they work. Science depends on non-supernatural explanations.

Then you have no problem with alternate common sense explanations explaining life. Again your interpretation of the facts is the limited one. Science by definition should not be limited when such a large number of credible scientists wish to weigh in.

And planes are held up by angels. You can make unsupported statements all you want, but an assertion is not an "alternate common sense explanation." It is an ignorant shot in the dark. And please O please site specifically how many biologists have weighed in in support of Creationist mythology. Oh, and name them. (standard CRIDer run/fallacy #1: pure lies presented as "facts" or "arguments.")

Remember that next time you drive a car or fly. Or use the bathroom. Or plug in your computer.

I am sure you will acknowledge that none of these "discoveries" demonstrates a speck of superiority. Having a cell phone with iTunes on it doesn't add a whit to a person's character. In fact it is an easy case to make that a person who has indulged in higher education exhibits stunted character growth.

You must be taking lessons from RunningWolf or Havoc or Creationist in non sequituers and strawmen. No one, certainly not me, has brought up any issues of superiority, character or anything else that is philisophical or sociological. Mine was a strictly scientifi argument that says you can't pick and choose which parts of science you can decide to "believe" or not. (CRIDer run/fallacy #2 again among others)

Salvation through knowledge is beginning to fall on deaf ears as people begin to recognize the agenda of the materialists who, by definition, are forced to deny unalienable rights. The evidence of a superior intelligence contributing to the lives of His creatures is trumping the Naturalistic Only dogma!

Nice rant -- not argumentation of any kind, doesn't address the topic at hand -- just ranting. (Standard CRIDer run #8 -- yell "Praise the Lord" and fall on the floor).

I ask again -- can't you CRIDers take on arguments using facts and logic? Your entire post addresses issues that have nothing to do with TTOE or its scientific basis.

755 posted on 02/20/2006 7:57:28 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: freedumb2003
For some reason you continue to present conventional scientific interpretations as the only reality. Science is individuals presenting information that explains reality within the available limitations current technology has on measuring observations. As technology improves through intelligent engineering, a more accurate grasp of our naturalistic reality becomes more revealed. Science in and of itself is exciting.

However, relegating our God given intelligence and curiosity to random chance spits in the eye of our Creator.

If we measured the percentage of our reality that we understand, it would be less than 1 percent, being that we are trapped on a minuscule planet with primitive instruments. Guessing about reality is entertaining, but it doesn't stop people from flying planes into buildings.

Minus the transforming power of Jesus Christ, there never would have been a country like the United States. Freedom has always been based on people of character. There are obvious supernatural forces at work in our reality. Israel is back in the land after having been scattered for thousands of years and that little strip of land has the entire world in illogical turmoil.

Allowing conventional science to dictate reality leads to a society enslaved to elite scientists forcing prescriptions to tranquilize boys into submission; a generation of people cutting tasty fat foods from their diets needlessly; aborting human beings because they are legally defined only in materialistic terms...

My comments cut to the heart of the debate!

766 posted on 02/20/2006 8:34:39 PM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: freedumb2003; RunningWolf; Havoc; Creationist; bondserv

Here's a courtesy ping to let you (RunningWolf, Havoc, Creationist)know that you are being discussed and give you a chance to defend yourself, which someone apparently forgot.


779 posted on 02/20/2006 9:10:12 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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