Churches urged to back evolution

British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"If I am a beast, then I am accountable to nothing but "instinct"
and my behavior is excused."

Evolution doesn't say you are a *beast*; it says you are a human. You are getting so caught up in the steps that got you here and forgetting where *here* is. Whether a God made me or I evolved, I am what I am. (Yes, I am quoting the eminent philosopher, Popeye :).

[RunningWolf]

Well 'artists concept' does not qualify as evidence for one.

He saw the exhibits, I did too. That's eyewitness testimony, not something you twist into 'vague anecdotal tales'. But twisting is pretty much what you are about. Its not our fault the evolutionists want to wipe away parts of their legacy.

You still have your artists concepts, for one look at the dino-raptor illustrations against the fossils

[csense]

The Bible's references to the earth's four corners, its "foundations", about a tree so high that it could be seen from the furthest reaches of the Earth, a mountain so high that the ends of the earth could be seen by someone on the mountain, that the earth is fixed and immovable, that the heavens are a "vault" etc. are totally consistent with a flat earth cosmology. (emphasis mine)

Without context, your opinion of these references is rather meaningless, but even taking them at face value, the two that are underlined actually suggest the relationship of a [raised] point on a curve, rather than a [raised point on a straight line.

[shuckmaster]

Do you pay to stay on this forum? Its obviously not due to your charm that youre allowed to stay.

It obviously takes more than constant badgering of the mods by a bunch of lying snitching whiny crybaby losers to get someone who knows his subject banned.

[Junior]

The book of Enoch describes a flat, circular Earth capped by the dome of the sky. The stars are the equivalent of angels who travel from doors in the base of the dome and travel across the sky in pre-arranged routes (a couple of stars were punished for failing to go to their assigned spots). The sun and moon likewise enter the dome through doors in its base, travel across the sky, and leave through doors in the opposite side.

Check out this thread on the very subject: Freeper Research Project: Enoch and Astronomy

[RightWhale]

I do not understand why such an enlightened nation is embroiled in a senseless science vs. religion turmoil

It's probably a simple misreading of what America is about. It's commerce, same as England. For commerce, a deep and subtle understanding of science and philosophy is not necessary, but a knowledge of finance, marketing and engineering is required. Both science and religion are peripheral interests and can be argued and confused all daylong without affecting vital issues of commerce. We don't argue much about engineering and bank loans.

[Vaquero]

How can you believe in God (capital G as in the God of the Bible) if you don't see Him is Scripture? If it weren't for the Bible and what He revealed to us in it, we would know next to nothing about Him. The Bible, which is what you dismiss as "the ramblings of the primitive people", is the only source of information about Him. And it's hardly *ramblings*. It's written at a level that most people can't even attain these days. Ramblings don't include such specific references to people, dates, and events, and it has found to be historically very accurate. It makes no sense to claim to believe in God and yet reject the very source of the information about Him. . I guess the lord works in mysterious ways.

[Vaquero]

wrap some 'Beaumont rags' around em.

[Jo Nuvark]

I yam, what I yam, what I yam. LOL!

An ape for an ancestor makes a monkey out of you and me. Ape... Monkey... Animal. When does the animal become human? If we are not created, then we a not accountable to our Creator. I'm quite happy to be subject to my God.

[freedumb2003]

Wow -- what a fabulous post.

Sometimes, when I think I might be pretty sharp (or at least not a dull point), I see a post like yours and feel like I am Jethroe Bodine.

I have read it three times and and still am gleaning new information from the well-written and reasoned data posted.

Are you a historian and writer by profession?

[freedumb2003]

I wonder why all copies weren't lost in Noah's flood?

"Keep your sacred texts dry during those world-changing floods..."

[stands2reason]

Take your Bible-bashing elsewhere. You are not welcome.

Listen up fella, last I checked this ain't your forum. It's JimRob's. And unless you happen to be a mod, your opinion means nothing to me.

And no personal beliefs (except leftism) are outlawed.

I didn't bash your Bible, so get over yourself. Even my Christian minister friend thinks I'm entitled to my own opinion.(And prays for my soul every night most likely) Your hostility towards me shows that you don't agree.

Well, bathe in your hostility, if you so desire.

[Jo Nuvark]

Thank you for your "artist's concept" remarks.

I'm just asking for someone to prove Evolution exists. Sheesh. Is that so difficult?
I can prove God exists with every breath I take. "I am" witness to God's existence.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"An ape for an ancestor makes a monkey out of you and me."

Besides the fact we are apes, we are also human. That is specifically what we are. We are not monkeys no matter what our ancestry is.

"When does the animal become human?"

We are human animals.

" If we are not created, then we a not accountable to our Creator."

Granted. But we ARE accountable to reality. It truly is a harsh mistress.

[freedumb2003]

Do you pay to stay on this forum? Its obviously not due to your charm that youre allowed to stay.

Yeah Dimensio! Quit posting facts and exposing Creationist' lies and logical fallacies by throwing their words in their face.

I mean just because you have facts, truth and reasoning on your side, that doesn't mean you get to just SAY it!! You have to imply it or else you will insult people who have to rely on lies to debate.

Now, you knock that off ;)

[csense]

Agreed, so long as the topic at hand is subject to "viewpoints." Viewpoints about string theory may be subject to debate, but that debate is amongst scientists with the proper background and knowledge. Pastry Chefs (for example) with no scientific knowledge are not qualified to present a "viewpoint" on string theory even if they hold an opinion on it.

This type of attitude is just nonsense, and people such as Gregor Johann Mendel, David H. Levy, Henrietta Swan Leavitt, Joseph Priestley, Michael Faraday, Grote Reber, Arthur C. Clarke, Thomas Jefferson, Susan Hendrickson and Felix d'Herelle is evidnece of that. (source)

[Dimensio]

If I am a beast, then I am accountable to nothing but "instinct" and my behavior is excused.

Codswallop. I know of no rational biologist who would suggest that the placement of homo sapiens sapiens in kingdom Animalia in any way excuses or justifies any kind of behaviour.

Even if this were true (and it is not), it would have no bearing on the validity of the claim that humans are animals. You are appealing to consequence and wishful thinking. You are not making a rational argument to show that humans are not animals.

[Dimensio]

Oops. In my reply I mistakenly believed you were also the poster who claimed that humans are not animals. I apologize for the portion of my reply that relates to that assumption.

I maintain my claim that no rational biologist would suggest that human origins sharing common ancestry with apes in any way justifies any kind of behavior.

[furball4paws]

Hey, man, don't dis the Monera. They have a way of getting back at you.

[Dimensio]

This personal "anecdote" is a fact that I observed.

What museum? When was this? How were the drawings labelled?

Evidence should be observable, repeatable and documentable.

You mean like the extensive fossil record, and ERV insertions discovered through gene sequencing of humans and other ape species?