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Churches urged to back evolution
British Broadcasting Corporation ^ | 20 February 2006 | Paul Rincon

Posted on 02/20/2006 5:33:50 AM PST by ToryHeartland

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To: Ken H
That means that Jews brought their suffering on themselves at the hands of the Nazis, as they did in the biblical examples you gave, right?

Yup; that's what I said.

1,961 posted on 02/24/2006 8:00:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: P-Marlowe
When you know what you want as a result, it's not hard to come up with a mechanism. In science, we call it handwaving.

Pi is three, or four, or whatever.

1,962 posted on 02/24/2006 8:00:55 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: PatrickHenry
O Lord, let this thread end soon!

Like a moth to the flame...

1,963 posted on 02/24/2006 8:01:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Right Wing Professor; All
 
Phooey on figgerin' out what PI is supposed to be; calculate THIS!!!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
1 cross + 3 nails= 4 given.




1,964 posted on 02/24/2006 8:05:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Right Wing Professor
When you know what you want as a result, it's not hard to come up with a mechanism.

In science, we call it handwaving Evolution.

1,965 posted on 02/24/2006 8:06:18 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

haha...or fly to the dog crap???


1,966 posted on 02/24/2006 8:07:14 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: andysandmikesmom

An 'Elsie' marathon placemarker...


1,967 posted on 02/24/2006 8:08:07 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: Elsie
Then your buddies will back you up; right?

Who cares? "My buddies" don't determine the law, The social expectations of our culture, or the rules of etiquette. I didn't accuse you of being a liar, you accused me. Apropos to which, let me remind you that you still haven't actually answered the question at the root of your accusation. Why do you think I would bother to try to do homework to justify a statement about your opinions which you won't confirm is wrong?

Do, you or do you not disown the giving of the law to the judges in genesis? Do you or do you not think Roe v. Wade should be overturned on the basis of biblically justified christian beliefs?

1,968 posted on 02/24/2006 8:10:24 PM PST by donh
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To: Elsie
Bizarre.

Just step back and think about what a very odd myth it is.

1,969 posted on 02/24/2006 8:11:15 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Pi is three, or four, or whatever.

That is not what I was doing. I was assuming that the writer of that verse was not stupid and I was also using the measurements of the time to show that the verse is reconcilable.

If I could not justify it using a cubit a hand or a span or other biblical measurement criteria, then I suppose I would have had to admit a likely error, as the outside dimension would clearly be about 31 cubits. But the usable space, the space inside the bowl, would be roughly 30 cubits according to your own calculations, wouldn't it?

BTW, have you found that source yet?

1,970 posted on 02/24/2006 8:11:34 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: donh
virtually every christian church,

every catholic church.
1,971 posted on 02/24/2006 8:14:29 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: P-Marlowe
If I could not justify it using a cubit a hand or a span or other biblical measurement criteria, then I suppose I would have had to admit a likely error, as the outside dimension would clearly be about 31 cubits. But the usable space, the space inside the bowl, would be roughly 30 cubits according to your own calculations, wouldn't it?

The phrase is 'a line of thirty cubits did encompass it round about.' 'Encompass' suggests an outside diameter. There is no mention of hands at all. You're reaching.

BTW, have you found that source yet?

Kansas City Times, Jan 5, 1982.

1,972 posted on 02/24/2006 8:18:21 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (<P>)
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To: kittymyrib

We may be created in the image of the Divine, but it appears that there were at least 10 homids before us, with various degrees of simularity.

All this could change if one found a chimp fossil inside the belly of a T-Rex. Intelligent design is not so much false, but unfalsifiable, for the Divine could have created the fossils in the ground to mislead. That leads to the theological question, does the Divine lie, and if so, why?

Evolution is the most elegant way by which I can image that the Divine could have created a body to hold a soul.


1,973 posted on 02/24/2006 8:18:36 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: Elsie
The balls in your court; gonna play or whine?

I have given you ample opportunity to disavow my characterization of your expressed attitudes. You have not contradicted anything I have said in the passsages you are objecting to. Your convictions about the punishments inflicted on the jews more that justifies my suggestion that you must be a lot of fun at S&M parties, and that's the highest flight of fancy I've endulged in. My characterizations of your expressed opinions are accurate, as testified to by the fact that they stand repeatedly uncorrected by you.

1,974 posted on 02/24/2006 8:21:22 PM PST by donh
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To: presently no screen name
every catholic church.

I didn't see statues of God at the various Protestant churches I was forced to attend, from time to time, by my Grandparents and aunts. I saw plenty of statues of jesus.

1,975 posted on 02/24/2006 8:24:23 PM PST by donh
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To: donh

Christian churches do not have any statues for the reason you stated, Catholic churches have many.


1,976 posted on 02/24/2006 8:29:42 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: donh
Hi There.

From your posts here I am gathering that you think that Jewish and Christian are exclusive of one another for the most part.

Please bear in mind that I am not preaching to you here, I just have a much different view.

There is really good information out there on why they fit together perfectly. Here is a link to a guy (Dr. Michael Brown) who really knows his stuff. He is a Jew, and PHD in near east languages. It will be obvious that he has done his research if you are interested enough to dig just a bit. His books are available on Amazon if you want to pursue this at all. Jews for Jesus is another good source of information, as well as the books by Stanley Telchin.

All of the "Grafting in" that is talked about in the new testament is about being grafted in "to Israel". It is we (Gentiles) who must become Jews to be part of the whole. I believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. Jews (Israel) are GOD'S chosen people according to the bible. This hasn't changed, (no matter what the koran may say).

Not one person will miss out on heaven, who hasn't been given the chance to accept GOD. We can't know what chances are given to each person throughout their life, and at their time of death, but I personally feel that GOD gives even the stubborn the opportunity and the information that they need right up until the very very end.

I accept Jesus (I call him Yeshua) as the Jewish Messiah. I sing the Shema, and celebrate the Feasts of the Lord as GOD requires of me (a practice that explains much of GOD's plan, including the Messiah).

If this isn't something you want to consider, please accept my apology for this post.

xmission (who loves and respects the Jews, and will support Israel until my dying day)
1,977 posted on 02/24/2006 9:47:23 PM PST by xmission
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To: Right Wing Professor; Elsie; Junior; ShadowAce
There is no mention of hands at all. You're reaching.

Really?

Look what I found!:

And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths. (1 Kings 7:26 KJV)

So, if it was a "hand breadth thick" (like the bible says) how many cubits would the inside circumference be?

Huh?

1,978 posted on 02/24/2006 10:20:30 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: presently no screen name
Christian churches do not have any statues for the reason you stated, Catholic churches have many.

If you don't think catholics are christians, I'm filing you in the dingbat bin, and ignoring you. Protestant churches behaved just as disgustingly toward jews and catholics did, if not worse, while offering up the exact same excuses as the Catholics. Martin Luther was a famously vile jewhater. I don't really care why reform churches have statues of Jesus. God said "no other God's before me, for I am a jealous God", yet I see only Jesus statues in God's church.

1,979 posted on 02/24/2006 10:22:59 PM PST by donh
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To: xmission
If this isn't something you want to consider, please accept my apology for this post.

I have no grief with this. I have been saying for some time that until christians are willing to officially bend the unforgiving doctrine of salvation exclusively through Jesus, and find a way to formally and permanently acknowledge and ameliorate the persistent anti-jewish propagandizing of the Gospels and acknowledge the full citizenship of orthodox jews, as orthodox jews, in the kingdom of heaven, that christianity is doomed to endlessly repeat the cycle of evil murderous repression that's been it's habit for 1400 years, and this present 50-100 year lapse will be seen for the temporary glitch that it is.

If not, when history moves on to the next cycle, all the anti-jewish poison will still be there, and christians will go right back to righteously torturing and murdering jews, just like they used to. 1400 hundred years of this ugly behavior ain't an accident, it's a policy, and the NT is that policy.

1,980 posted on 02/24/2006 10:44:32 PM PST by donh
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