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To: CodeToad
Exactly my point.

Well, not "exactly" your point. Your point was: "Every article I have read is based on silly conclusions like 'Gee, it's hot here in Miami...'"

And yes, there is a discrepancy between satellite data and surface data. As stated:

"Surface thermometer measurements indicate that the temperature of the Earth is warming at an average rate close to +0.20 deg. C/decade since 1979, while the satellite data shows a warming trend of about half of this."

And as also stated:

"Independently produced data sets that describe the four-dimensional temperature structure from the surface through the lower stratosphere provide different temperature trends. These differences are seen in varying degrees in comparisons of separate in situ (surface and weather balloon) data sets, in comparisons of separate space-based data sets, and in comparisons of individual data sets drawn from the different observational platforms and different trend analysis teams."

Despite concerted efforts to reconcile this conflicting data, you breezily conclude that: "scientists of all sorts, including at NASA, are using 'global warming models' to try to suggest there is actually global warming in an attempt to get that all important grant study money."

And then you make the remarkable statement that: "Any idiot can fudge numbers to make them say what they need them to say."

Unlike, say, any idiot who (1) ignores the actual meteorological data, (2) derisively dismisses efforts to reconcile that data, (3) presumes without a whit of evidence that scientists working on the issue are doing so in bad faith, (4) and makes embarrassingly uninformed and juvenile cracks like "every article I have read is based on silly conclusions like 'Gee, it's hot here in Miami," and "any idiot can fudge numbers to make them say what they need them to say."

677 posted on 02/14/2006 7:23:00 AM PST by atlaw
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To: atlaw

"(3) presumes without a whit of evidence that scientists working on the issue are doing so in bad faith,"


Actually, I have first hand evidence in that during my PhD studies in the late 80’s and working with DoD and NASA on a variety of space programs we kept hearing what a cash cow
"global warming" was going to be in the coming years. I talked with one researcher after another who was cashing in the scheme. We all knew it was a liberal BS push to attack petroleum, chemical, and human population issues. Hell, even the public knew it, but repeating that lie seems to have had it affect. People like you now believe it to be absolutely true. In the 80’s I worked with the DMSP program, which measures energy around the planet 24 x 7. When the first global warming alarms were raised, along with the conclusion that man should stop polluting the earth, stop driving cars, and a whole host of other liberal agenda items, the DMSP group was laughing its ass off. They had several decades of real scientific evidence that not a single shred of this “evidence” of global warming was true.

“Global Warming” is just another liberal eco-terrorist attack on humans.


691 posted on 02/14/2006 8:44:31 AM PST by CodeToad
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