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To: Havoc; Ichneumon
Non-christians don't believe the tripe either. Guess they're creationists by fiatt?

Other religious creeds hold that the universe is divinely created. Creationism is in no way owned by Christianity. Your comment is thus meaningless.

No, this is your brain on common sense.

In my observation, "common sense" is more often than not at best cultural tradition (or "received wisdom") rather than anything approaching independently acheived products of uncomplicated rationality or thought. Often enough, "common sense" is actually rather stupid.
Cases in point:
1. "It is just COMMON SENSE that more guns lead to more gun violence"
2. "It is just COMMON SENSE that young teens will engage in sexual experimentation no matter how much adults discourage it. So it is just COMMON SENSE to regale schoolchildren with explicit sexual material and distribute condoms to them."
3. "Just as God created Man to be sovereign over the Earth and all its creatures, so is it COMMON SENSE that God established certain men and/or families to be Lords over other men, sovereign over them, with all power over them." ("Divine Right of Kings")
4. "It is only COMMON SENSE that, if American society were truly ethnically "blind", all results would be statistically uniform acros all demographics. Since the results are not uniform, it is COMMON SENSE that America is still endemically and institutionally racist."
5. "It is only COMMON SENSE that cutting taxes only favors 'the Rich' and oppreses 'the poor', and it is only COMMON SENSE that raising taxes will increase tax revenues, and it is just plain COMMON SENSE that income-scaled taxation is 'progressive' and 'fair' - 'the Rich' must 'pay their fair share' yanno..."

Shall I continue -as I could, at great length- or will you cede the point that calling a notion "common sense" does not amount to a compelling argument in its favor?

300 posted on 02/13/2006 3:20:25 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

I don't seem to be the one in need of a reassuring lecture about what common sense is. You guys are losing the battle and think you aren't getting your message out though most of America knows it and rejects it. You can't get your heads around that and insist they just don't understand when in fact they do and reject your ideology because of it rather than inspite of it. Rationalize away if it helps you cope. You'll still be losing ground and I'll still be laughing about it in the face of years of condescention, mouthyness and abuse from your ilk. The day we all start acting like you guys and fight back you think the world is ending. Welcome to reality.


305 posted on 02/13/2006 4:04:55 AM PST by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: King Prout
So you say there is no such thing as common sense? Or is your example a case study of how words and terminology that have valid meaning in context can be usurped and distorted?

Is there common sense, yea or nay?

321 posted on 02/13/2006 5:58:50 AM PST by bvw
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To: King Prout; Havoc; All
To recoup:
Ichneumon: This is your brain on creationism.

Havoc: No, this is your brain on common sense.

King Prout: [Derisional deconstructionism of "common sense"] ... Often enough, "common sense" is actually rather stupid. [a litany of derisional examples most of which are at best 'silly'] ... Shall I continue -as I could, at great length- or will you cede the point that calling a notion "common sense" does not amount to a compelling argument in its favor?

bvw: So you say there is no such thing as common sense? Or is your example a case study of how words and terminology that have valid meaning in context can be usurped and distorted?

King Prout: as should have been clear before you asked: yes, there are concepts and notions which can be and are referred to as "common sense" - and these concepts and notions, when extended beyond the most mundane situations (good common sense: Don't stick your hand in a fire - odds are you'll get burned), are often quite erroneous (example of incorrect but REAL common sense

Findings: Reader make your own. And please use your common sense!
522 posted on 02/13/2006 4:19:14 PM PST by bvw
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