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To: fabian
"It's only logical that some intelligence has to be the maker of the original dna code.

Hardly.

"We always know there is a maker to say, an automobile. It just couldn't gather itself together and yet our bodies are alot more complex.

To come to this conclusion you need to make the assumption that the complexity of DNA can be calculated and reliably quantified and that only intelligences can produce complexity. So far neither assumption has been verified.

We know there is a maker for an auto because we recognize the auto as 'unnatural' in appearance and further know of only one way for an auto to be created. The recognition of the auto as an unnatural object is based on its features, not its complexity. We notice the virtually perfect symmetry, the lack of blemish, the tell tale polish, the very materials used in its form. No one ever goes up to an auto and says to himself:
'boy that looks complex, it must have been made by humans',
what he does say is:
' that looks liked formed painted metal on the outside with a nice thick clear-coat and hand rubbed polish. The inside looks like treated and colored leather surrounded by formed plastic. Gee, nothing in nature looks like that so it must be made by an intelligence. The only intelligence that I am familiar with is human and this really looks like something humans would do so it must be created by humans.

If you take a good look at DNA you will find that it does not have unnatural symmetry or near perfection but is instead full of errors, duplications, abandoned 'code', inefficiencies and unnecessary redundancies. Even the worst human code has some self documentation, DNA has none.

DNA is made up of nothing but chemicals, chemicals which combine unaided in nature all the time. The only difficulty with the natural production of DNA is the low likelihood of a specific DNA sequence combining spontaneously. However this spontaneous generation of a DNA sequence is not suggested by any scientist. What is suggested is the gradual buildup of chemicals, ultimately resulting in a short DNA that was subsequently built up in size by innumerable replication errors.

2,104 posted on 02/17/2006 7:36:30 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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To: b_sharp

Our creations maybe "unatural appearing" but our bodies are still more complex and efficient than a car. The incredible dna code uses information to manufacure all kinds of cells in our bodies. It's ordered and very purposeful. The function of our eyes are more complicated than the most advanced camera we have manufactured; something had to design it. We all have negative thoughts that make us doubt the designer of natural creation.


2,123 posted on 02/17/2006 11:41:52 PM PST by fabian
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To: b_sharp
We notice the virtually perfect symmetry, the lack of blemish, the tell tale polish, the very materials used in its form.

It depends on what scale that you examine the artifacts at. At the microscopic level, there are lots of imperfections in the materials used in a car. At the atomic scale, there are no differences between artificial and natural systems.

If you take a good look at DNA you will find that it does not have unnatural symmetry or near perfection but is instead full of errors, duplications, abandoned 'code', inefficiencies and unnecessary redundancies.

Examine people engineered software code, it frequently contains abandoned (never executed) code, inefficiencies, and unnecessary redundancies. Particularly if it has been used for some time, and maintained and extended for a while.

2,138 posted on 02/18/2006 10:10:55 AM PST by GregoryFul
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