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To: andysandmikesmom
I appreciate your civility. I don't exactly know how all of these threads work, but I have in the past brought arguments with support using Science, IE charting backward population growth, and argued that man hasn't been around long enough to have evolved from even apes to man, through micro evo. These arguments were not in any way addressed, just discounted simply because they don't coincide with certain views. Once again I appreciate your candor, and civility toward me, and my problem is not with you. It is however with those who have discounted anything I have had to say simply on the basis that I don't support evolution.
1,680 posted on 02/16/2006 6:49:07 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: whispering out loud
I don't exactly know how all of these threads work ...

Permit me to be of assistance. Rule number one -- when your first entry into a thread, which is over 1600 posts long, is this:

yeah, for anyone who blindly accepts what the Evo scientific community hands to them. It sickens me that any scientist who supports creationism, and or ID is automatically discounted by you evo Nazis as "A liar" or "someone who doesn't understand science", .. or several other general assumptions, as a matter of fact the only people you count as actual scientist, are supporters of evolution. When a point is argued, it is said, "bring me something from someplace other than a Creationist source" what do you expect, for us to bring support for creation from an evolutionist? That very concept is moronacy. I realize that to control the source is to control the conversation, but your control of the source is absolutely the most clear cut case of close minded thinking I have ever seen displayed. And here I thought science was supposed to be about open minded study to find the truth, not Communist methods of controlling peoples ability to question your small minded concepts. You do not fool anyone, just because you try to set the rules for a debate, that doesn't make you right, nor does it make the ABSOLUTE LIE of evolution true. Knowing that most of you closed minded evo morons will now proceed to attack my character, and intelligence, I may or may not return your post, depending upon the respect with which you respond to mine.
you may expect that you will be treated in accordance with the standard of discourse that you yourself have set.

As for me, I usually abide by my tagline, which I have found to be an excellent guide for participating in these threads. So I doubt that you'll be getting many posts from me.

1,686 posted on 02/16/2006 7:05:26 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: whispering out loud

I take note of your tagline...that the Bible, is either 100% true, or by its very nature, its 100% a lie...

Now, I would ask you this...there exists in this country alone, a myriad of Christian religions, all claiming to believe in the Bible...but we have Catholics, Baptists, Evangelicals, Orthodox, Methodists, Lutherans, LDS, Jehovahs Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, Presbyterians, Calvinists, and that just scratches the surface...we have tons of independently formed Churches...and all these 'denominations', claim, that they have the one true Biblical belief, the one true Biblical authority, the one true Biblical interpretation...now, this cannot be true...

All these different denominations have many different varying and often opposing beliefs and views, and dogmas...just go onto any religious thread on FR, and you will be able to see some of the nastiest arguments going on...one self-proclaimed Christian from one denomination, telling another self-proclaimed Christians of another denomination, that they cannot possibly even be a Christian, simply because they belong to and support the beliefs of a different faith....Its all quite ugly....they cannot often even agree on the meaning of words, such as 'brother', 'all', 'day' 'year' and on and on and on...

I read those religious thread for enlightenment, and information...more often what I find myself in the middle of, is an all out brawl...tho I will agree there are many posters who remain civil, post information, discuss in a civil manner, yet the very rude and awful conduct of many of them, makes on wonder what they are doing on a religious thread in the first place...

The way I see it, matters of religious faith, and religious belief, within the family of people who call themselves 'Christian' often comes down to merely a matter of personal subjective interpretation...

And many people who call themselves Christians, see no conflict between their Biblical belief, and their support of evolution...but to those, who decide that their own personal interpretation of the Bible, which supports creationism, is the true one, have no problem calling others who might disagree with them, 'atheist'...

Which is kind of a long winded way of asking you, about your tagline...I know you feel that the Bible is 100% true of else its 100% lies, because you have used that as your tagline...but, is not your belief in the Bible, which I would assume is used to correlate to your 100% true belief of the Bible, is not your belief also a matter of personal subjective interpretation, which may suit you in your life, but which may not suit others?...not necessarily that one belief is true or a lie, any more than a contrary belief is true or a lie...just that two beliefs about one subject, are a matter of personal subjective interpretation...and only the Lord, himself is the one who can weigh and judge how well we have done?


1,695 posted on 02/16/2006 7:53:44 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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