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To: whispering out loud

I will take a crack at this...

A few weeks ago, I watched a TV program, on one of the religious channels, which was supposed to be showing a 'scientific' study of why evolution was incorrect...so I tuned in...whether you care to believe this or not, there was NO scientific evidence offered...a speaker came on, give a few anecdotal stories(none of them having to do with Creationism/ID/evolution)...then a commercial came on, selling creationism tapes and book...back to the speaker...more anecdotal stories...back to more commercials...this was only a 1/2 hr program, almost at its end,I am wondering when is the scientific stuff coming on...finally he gets out a paper, puts it up on the screen, complains about some squiggly lines, showing, I guess, some sort of supposed evolution, and then the program ends....more commercials follow...Now, I was all set and ready to see what they had to offer in the way of scientific evidence, and was disappointed because there was none...still dont know what to make of this...

When someone says, that they will support evolution, when say, a dog gives birth to a cat(or some such), within a generation or two, and they can be shown this, I must believe that they do not know what the ToE states...because what they have put forth is certainly not something the ToE would ever say or support...it shows a lack of understanding of what the ToE states...now, why is it wrong to point that out?...

The other thing that does upset me, is when someone who supports ID/creationism, states, as a fact, that no one who supports ToE can possibly be a Christian...now, that may be their own personal subjective view on the matter, it is hardly a fact...I take someones word for it, that if they say they are a Christian, then they do believe themselves to be a Christian...but often that is not good enough for a creationist/Id supporter...in other words, if one does not believe the Bible, in their own particular subjective personal way, then they cannot be a Christian...that is sickening as well...

And as far as being a liar...if anyone lies, no matter on side of this debate they find themselves, they should be called out on it...and often this is done, with posts from other threads to prove the lie...a lie is a lie, and when there are posts that show it to be so, there is nothing wrong with pointing that out, no matter who is doing the lying, or who is calling them on it...

I have remained civil, have not called you any names, not have I called into question your intelligence...just tried to answer some of your concerns...


1,671 posted on 02/16/2006 6:09:29 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom
I appreciate your civility. I don't exactly know how all of these threads work, but I have in the past brought arguments with support using Science, IE charting backward population growth, and argued that man hasn't been around long enough to have evolved from even apes to man, through micro evo. These arguments were not in any way addressed, just discounted simply because they don't coincide with certain views. Once again I appreciate your candor, and civility toward me, and my problem is not with you. It is however with those who have discounted anything I have had to say simply on the basis that I don't support evolution.
1,680 posted on 02/16/2006 6:49:07 PM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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