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To: Thatcherite
No, it is not the willingness to die for one's beliefs.

It is the willingness to die for what you KNOW to be a lie.

The disciples knew whether or not Jesus rose from the dead, etc.

Yet they went to their own horrible deaths voluntarily, in His name.

That's the point. None of the modern suicide bombers knew Mohammad personally.
1,601 posted on 02/16/2006 12:18:45 AM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Californiajones
You are offering up a false dichotomy:

Either the story of Jesus rising from the dead is true, or His disciples knew that they were going to their deaths for a lie.

There are many other possibilities, the moment you step away from the Bible being an inerrant document. The truth of the record in the Bible is a matter of faith.

Religious people of all faiths going to their deaths has been common down the ages. Given the different myths that they all believed clearly most of them were deluded, as you right now believe muslim suicide bombers to be deluded.

1,602 posted on 02/16/2006 12:29:22 AM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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