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To: freedumb2003
No Satan is the accuser of the brethren.

All of your criticisms either point at me or fail to engage my arguments.

Evolution claims to have deconstructed a creative force of the universe.

That's not a lie. That's my take on Evolution.

And what varying degrees are Evolution dependent upon?

Time mostly. That's the thing that Evos hide behind because it makes the claim indemonstrable.

And, doll, if you think that Jesus taught that we came from lower life forms, you worship a different Jesus than the one in the Bible.

So, you are saying that Jesus came for all the single cells that would someday become men?

Don't think so.

Please keep your railing accusations to yourself. Such as calling someone a liar when they are just stating their own view.

Your "Satanic" ones are pretty funny, "making the pious sin to prove their point"... kettle black here I'd say. I didn't lose my temper, or accuse anyone personally, or state anything but what I think.

So, sorry you have to call me Satanic in order to deal with simple opinion. But since you have projected upon me a "magic" as in "poof" Christianity, how would you describe Jesus' healing of the blind man or the empty tomb?

Just askin'. Since you say you are a Christian...
1,597 posted on 02/15/2006 11:32:39 PM PST by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Californiajones
No Satan is the accuser of the brethren.

Satan delights in lies.

All of your criticisms either point at me or fail to engage my arguments.

My arguments address your contentions point by point. Because you misrepresent Evolution on purpose, there is nothing there to engage. If I claim your are left-handed and you are not, there is nothing to "engage."

Evolution claims to have deconstructed a creative force of the universe. That's not a lie. That's my take on Evolution.

So if your take on aerodynamics is God holds planes aloft, that is a basis for discussion? Like I said, it misrepresents TTOE.

And what varying degrees are Evolution dependent upon? Time mostly. That's the thing that Evos hide behind because it makes the claim indemonstrable.

This supposed "gotcha" that you CRIDers shows just how low you will go to "win." Evolution takes place in a milleu of millions of years but it is not stepwise. It goes in fits and starts, depending on many complex factors. We sometimes see examples in measurable levels and sometimes we can't see it. But the archeological records provide proof for changes we can't actually see. We can deduce quite a bit, but that deduction is up for scientific scrutiny, which is why TTOE is always being revised.

And, doll, if you think that Jesus taught that we came from lower life forms, you worship a different Jesus than the one in the Bible.

Jesus taught theology, not biology.

So, you are saying that Jesus came for all the single cells that would someday become men? Don't think so.

This is a classic CRIDer strawman. Jesus came for Men. by the time He arrived, Men already existed in modern form.

Please keep your railing accusations to yourself. Such as calling someone a liar when they are just stating their own view.

Using logical fallacies, especially misrepresenation, ON PURPOSE, is lying. I merely point it out.

Your "Satanic" ones are pretty funny, "making the pious sin to prove their point"... kettle black here I'd say. I didn't lose my temper, or accuse anyone personally, or state anything but what I think.

I admit the Satanic reference is a little over the top. But the logic is valid (lies=Satan's work). Since you want to cast the discussion in terms of "what you think" then lets all put on our thinking caps and try to come up with a group of people who frame alll their debates in terms of thoughts and feelings and not facts?

So, sorry you have to call me Satanic in order to deal with simple opinion. But since you have projected upon me a "magic" as in "poof" Christianity, how would you describe Jesus' healing of the blind man or the empty tomb?

It is astoundng how many lies (fallacies) you pleace in so few words. To begin with, yes your opinion is simple and scientifically wrong and misrepresents the subject matter. The reference to Jesus' miracles is a theological discussion not a scientific one. I believe Jesus healed the sick, raised the dead, died for my sins and was resurrected. There are a minumum of 3 billion people in the world, many very educated, who disagree.

A discussion of miracles, although interesting, has no place in this discussion.

Just askin'. Since you say you are a Christian...

Just answerin' since I am.

1,606 posted on 02/16/2006 5:56:34 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: Californiajones
"And what varying degrees are Evolution dependent upon?

"Time mostly. That's the thing that Evos hide behind because it makes the claim indemonstrable.[Emphasis mine]

The long periods of time were evident long before Darwin put together the ToE. Time is not used as something to obscure the reality of fossil evidence, the dates of the fossils are based on dates already established for the strata.

Age came first, then evolution - not the other way around.

1,677 posted on 02/16/2006 6:41:56 PM PST by b_sharp (Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
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