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To: xzins; CarolinaGuitarman
Since theistic evolution can only be read from "nature," then we are not dealing with the God revealed in the Bible.

...we are dealing with the God revealed by reality.

Most believers in the Bible prefer to reconcile the two, under the assumption that the one described in the Bible is the same one as the God that matches reality.

You, however, denounce this as a "fallacy".

Others prefer to simply reject reality if it contradicts *their* personal reading of what they think the Bible is saying. For example:

"By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record,"

-- AnsersInGenesis, Statement of Belief

There's a word for people who deny reality when it contradicts their personal beliefs...
1,468 posted on 02/15/2006 12:09:51 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; Corin Stormhands
No, I am saying that the 2 don't reconcile.

I'm saying that there is no message about theistic evolution in the Bible. It simply is not there. Nor is a lot of different things. Therefore, they are not biblical teachings.

That is the bottom line, and it is unassailable.

I am not talking about what I "think" the bible is saying. I'm talking about what is there in its pages. Noah is there, Moses is there, Jonah is there, Jesus is there.

Xzins is not there, Ichneumon is not there, Little Red Riding Hood is not there, Snow White is not there....all of which are probably interesting stories. But they are not in the bible.

Theistic evolution is not there. Creation is there.

As for who I am. Sure, you can say I'm out of touch, a dreamer, a bit 'tetched' BUT....

Call me Pilgrim.

13 These all died in faith, F38 not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

1,479 posted on 02/15/2006 1:20:06 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Ichneumon; xzins
There's a word for people who deny reality when it contradicts their personal beliefs...

LOL!! Somehow this reminds me of the last two lines of The Impossible Fact by Christian Morgenstern:

for, he reasons pointedly,
that which must not, can not be.
Though, I think it sounds better in the original German ;^)
Weil, so schliesst er messerscharf,
nicht sein kann, was nicht sein darf.

1,561 posted on 02/15/2006 4:20:24 PM PST by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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