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This pretty well sums it all up.
1 posted on 02/12/2006 10:32:28 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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Thanks. The article you posted is a good find. And there is nothing complex in ID'ers, although their bibling might be irreducible.


43 posted on 02/12/2006 11:19:42 AM PST by GSlob
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These polemics don't add up to much. They sound like diatribes and appeals to authority.

Gould (the Marxist elitist Professor) states it is fact.

What a convincing argument.

And what is he arguing and who is he arguing with?

It's platitudinous polemic, pretty much bereft of any intellectual substance or rational thought (or rather, more likely, disingenuousness)..

If you think this sums it up it is indicative of saying, yes, this upholds well my world view presented in a manner well within my comfort zone of thought and belief.

48 posted on 02/12/2006 11:37:46 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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I'm confused on the "rigors" of science. My science book is written in Korean.


49 posted on 02/12/2006 11:38:50 AM PST by AmishDude
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Evolutionists are like a blind person touching an elephant. They limit themselves to only life and use science at their viewer. Creationists view the whole aminal, vegetable and mineral universe and regard the evolutionist's views as incomplete.


56 posted on 02/12/2006 12:01:12 PM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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An alarming number of scientists also believe in the superiority of Marxism, despite historical facts to the contrary.


67 posted on 02/12/2006 12:35:38 PM PST by SampleMan
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"Rigors" of science? If we're talking darwinism, it's more like rigor mortis of science.


84 posted on 02/12/2006 1:05:13 PM PST by JCEccles
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Glennon is a member of the Times editorial board.

Being a member of an editorial board of a local paper does not make him an authority.

86 posted on 02/12/2006 1:07:15 PM PST by connectthedots
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We know for a fact that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old...

I stopped reading right there.

Biased and uninformed articles usually aren't worth the time reading...

96 posted on 02/12/2006 1:22:11 PM PST by Gritty (Muslims think they can issue decrees… Who do they think they are, liberals? – Ann Coulter)
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Creation can't hold up to rigors of science

Nor can science yet ascertain a Creation which imparted not just reproduction, unevolved,
but the eye of every phylum, perfectly formed, also without fossil record predecessor.

105 posted on 02/12/2006 1:41:40 PM PST by onedoug
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Within the scientific community, there is virtually no acceptance of intelligent design. It has no more place in a biology class than astrology in an astronomy class or alchemy in a chemistry class.

A well-written expose of ID. But I'd like to point out that every one of Glenn Reynolds' paragraphs are virtually identical to the Evos' posts on these threads.

110 posted on 02/12/2006 2:00:36 PM PST by Rudder
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Nice post. :-)


119 posted on 02/12/2006 2:40:56 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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I think developments in high-energy physics and string theory will give us tools to objectively test religious-type hypothesis that relate to concepts of "other reality levels", "extra-dimensional structures" and ultimate origins.

If such investigations result in unexpectedly new knowledge, all bets on both sides of the ID debate are off.

122 posted on 02/12/2006 2:48:54 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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This is an excellent summary.


130 posted on 02/12/2006 4:31:42 PM PST by hawkaw
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" Virtually all biologists consider the existence of evolution to be a fact."

What a phony straw-man. The ultimate scarecrow non-argument.

Everyone including IDers and even 6-day YECers, believes that evolution explains some, most, or all biological diversity. The difference is that "Big E" evolutionists are convinced that evolution alone can explain all biological diversity, and are consequently the dogmatists. They are the ones who regard dissent as heresy, and are fearful that people may have doubts.

166 posted on 02/12/2006 6:18:57 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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Good article! I agree (almost) completely!

".....nor do they seek publication in peer-reviewed scientific journals......"

For the most part, "Yes", however, they would LOVE to slip their dribble into a reputable journal.

175 posted on 02/12/2006 6:26:54 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Here's the best and only argument we need against evolution and all man's grand theories, Mr Henry, if that is your real name:

The fish don't know they're wet!

203 posted on 02/12/2006 6:54:41 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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Creation can't hold up to rigors of science

The theory of creation calls into question the theory of science...of course it(creation) can't 'stand up to the rigors' of the very system it questions...

And vice versa....

Unless God pays us a visit, or science creates a time machine...

This argument will go on forever.....

217 posted on 02/12/2006 7:08:35 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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You are correct. The article does sum up the intellectual incompetence of those who ignore the fundamentals of creation.


226 posted on 02/12/2006 7:14:50 PM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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YEC INTREP


277 posted on 02/12/2006 9:49:21 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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Propaganda piece. We're all supposed to be convinced by an logical fallacy - an appeal to popularity of the idea within the scientific community. Mercy me. Didn't know a dumb idea could be popular. Let me just drop all my concerns and hop on the bandwagon - not. How pathetic.


283 posted on 02/13/2006 1:30:37 AM PST by Havoc
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