[PatrickHenry]

This pretty well sums it all up.

[PatrickHenry]

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[MineralMan]

A good summary of the issue. Thanks for posting it!

[Coyoteman]

You couldn't have written it better yerself! ===> Placemarker <===

[Camel Joe]

Are these the same scientists that accept the "scientific" studies relating to secondhand smoke? I'm afraid the scientific community has succumbed to politics.

[Buck W.]

Great article--thanks.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

This pretty well sums it all up.

LOL

[FixedandDilated]

I just finished reading the article in the paper a few minutes ago. I thought it was well-done. John Glennon usually does a good job, and I like it when the CoCo times publishes one of his articles. He does a nice job here of addressing the issues.

[sully777]

In before 1000!

[staytrue]

ID claims since evolution can not explain everything, it must be false and therefore ID must be true.

That is an absurd argument to make.

I will concede that it is possible ID has taken place.

But ID in its current form is hogwash and even if ID has occurred, there is nothing to be gained by studying it since ID is completely out of human control, and completely arbitrary to the whims of the supernatural being.

[Psycho_Bunny]

That's sort of goofy title.

[Mr Ramsbotham]

Personally, I don't think the Almighty cares one way or another what a person thinks on this score. But Creationism or ID, or whatever you want to euphemize it with, has no place in science classes.

[umgud]

It amazes me that a university proffessor (Butz) can utilize a university website to promote his belief (as fact) that the holocaust did not happen. He's protected because of tenure and freedom of speech. But, had he done the same to promote a theory of creation, he'd be run out of town on a rail.

[TXnMA]

Anti-ID article ping...

[AntiGuv]

"a nonscientific philosophical conjecture"

Hmm.. Is that euphemistic for "a wild-ass guess"?

[VadeRetro]

Supporters of intelligent design vehemently disagree, but they do not offer alternative theories or verifiable data. Instead, intelligent design proponents attack evolution with misinformation, half-truths and outright falsehoods.

Exactamundo!

[forsnax5]

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[N2Gems]

As we unravel the genome, and begin to get data back from that research, many of the results are not going to make anti -creationists happy.

It seems that human beings are surprisingly un diverse for supposedly evolved creatures. In fact, we are only a small fraction as genetically diverse as chimps, gorillas, orangutans, and bonobos. One would think that since we have covered the entire earth that we would be much more diverse than apes who are, and always have been very geographically limited.

It is also becoming evident that human beings, homo sapiens sapiens, (not to be confused with hominid animals) originated in a single location (Africa, Mesopotamia region) from a very small population. The "out of Africa" model appears to be the more accurate. Some suggest that instead of out of Africa, the model should be called out of Eden.

Another startling result coming from molecular anthropology is data that strongly suggests that the human female genetic genealogy is at least several thousand years older than the male genealogy. It is an interesting riddle for those who don't believe in God, but for those who do, it is very clear.

Noah and his sons would be as far back as the male genealogy could be traced as they were effectively, our genetic Adams. Noah's wife and his son's genetic genealogy however, would continue right on back through time to the first homo sapiens sapiens.

Today, in labs across the globe, scientists are trying to create life. Assume that someday they do, and assume a few billion years for it to evolve. My bet is that whatever liberals those experiments eventually spawn will howl to the heavens that the idea of intelligent design is nothing but bunk.

[CheyennePress]

While I both agree with the concept of evolution and hold that God created the universe, the arguments put forth in this article against irreduceable complexity are a steaming load of hog crap. Or perhaps more properly, bringing a peashooter to a gun match. The author speaks of the lack of evidence put forth by intelligent design proponents and then gives precious little himself (indeed, I've seen far bettter arguments made by intelligent design proponents).

They simply do not address what I think are some interesting proposals put forth by evolutionary biologists and creationists alike.

[bvw]

Dawkin's blind watchmaker program -- the one he uses to produce a simple genetic algorithm that prodces line segment drawings -- creates a simple space of line-morphs. On my walk in the woods yesterday I got to thinking of that example of Dawkins, and of the genetic space in the real world. And also of star and galaxy clusters, and of brownian motion, and of dinosaur skeltons.

It seems to me that the genetic space is extremely clustered, or spotty, and that the same spottiness -- the same spots, that is, not just the fractality -- occurs in the various fossil epochs, and in our current one.

I could say more, but my speculations then turned to metaphysicalities.

FWIW.

[Eagles6]

Except that it misses the issue completely.

Intelligent design isn't science and shouldn't be taught as such. On the other hand evolution isn't religion and shouldn't be taught as such, but it is.

Evolution teaches that all life is the product of random chance and natural selection sans divine intervention.

I believe that leaving the creation of life, setting up the laws of physics and science and imparting us with consciousness to blind chance may be a bit much. Even the author admits there is uncertainty here "biologists readily admit that they are less certain of the exact mechanism of evolution"

Is evolution fact? Just because an unknown author says that most scientists believe it to be true isn't going to work for me. The msm says most scientists believe in human caused global warming and most Americans don't support thee war. On the other hand it may, as the Pope said, be God's way of creating man.