Designed to deceive: Creation can't hold up to rigors of science

CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | 12 February 2006 | John Glennon

[Californiajones]

Actually, I'm a girl.

Not really hip to the beard thing on Jesus or God the Father either. More interested in the fact that God is not only loving Spirit -- but He is the Truth.

(As John wrote, Jesus is the Word made Flesh. Ruminate on that. It will blow your mind and give you hope that there is a good God in all this mess we've made on earth.)

I'm into the metaphysics of His love. The Darwin stuff is funny because it destroys people's faith without giving them anything but missing links in the end.

[Ichneumon]

The INHERENT (please look up that word, Evos) argument of Darwin's hypothesis is that the species evolved from lower life forms.

And why couldn't this be the manner in which God created mankind?

As this negates the idea of the Soul,

Wrong.

of the conscience,

Wrong again.

of the moral comport of Mankind

Wrong yet again. Why do you presume that these are incopatible with evolutionary formation of mankind?

as well as dishes entirely the Biblical descriptions of how and why Man was created,

Are you sure? Millions of Christians have no problem reconciling the two.

Darwin's hypothesis of Evolution in the early 19th century negates the Biblical model.

Nope.

Don't know how to say it any clearer

Well, you could make it more clear by actually supporting your assertions, if you can...

except if it didn't nail the Bible, this thread would not be this long.

No, if it didn't "nail the Bible in the minds of *some* people", it wouldn't be as long -- that has little to do with whether it *actually* conflicts with the Bible when the Bible is read correctly.

Our spiritual nature is something that did not "evolve" out of physical processes. Sorry.

Because you say so? That's not very convincing. \

[Havoc]

Check the dictionary. Ain't is a word. Didn't used to be. Get over it.

Second, if you wan't to knitpick english, go to an english thread.

Third, if you want to prove speciation, prove it. That doesn't consist of Corn producing Corn. It consists of Corn producing non-corn. Macro-evolution in other words.. perhaps you've heard of it...

Lastly, the number of observed "claimed" speciation events is greater than 0. The number of actual is Zero, has been zero since Darwins time and will likely evermore remain zero unless someone starts playing in a lab in which case you'll have design, not speciation. Corn becoming corn isn't speciation. Propaganda thusly routed. Next attempt.

[Californiajones]

A prof who's never published?

Well if you think Darwin just came upon his theory, in say, 1857, to publish in 1859, I'd say you were wrong.

As your idea points to the speciousness of Darwinism, however, yeah, maybe it took him about three good months to think up evolution.

[Havoc]

Did you see their Corn producing Corn is speciation argument?
Might look at it, wouldn't want anyone to miss the best sideshow on FR right now.. lol.

[Californiajones]

Hey, I'll be happy to show you point for point how Evolution contradicts the Bible, except that it would probably be as long as the Bible itself.

So why don't you read it for yourself. Most 19th Century Victorians were well versed in the Bible, as it was warp and woof of the culture then --and so, Darwin had to have known how radical his "science" was.

[hosepipe]

[ Dielectic Agnosticism / Don't you mean dyslexic? ]

No Hmmm interesting thought though..

[Right Wing Professor]

As John wrote, Jesus is the Word made Flesh. Ruminate on that.

Hmmm, OK. Let's see. Words are strings of letters that collectively have symbolic value. Flesh is the stuff animals and humans are made of. So Jesus is a string of letters turned into human or animal tissue.

I'm sorry, it appears to be a completely nonsensical statement. So, now you're telling me this content-free statement means I should disbelieve 150 years of real scientific data?

It will blow your mind and give you hope that there is a good God in all this mess we've made on earth

I gave up trying to blow my mind back in the 70's. But I can see your point. Possibly if I took LSD, it might make sense.

[Havoc]

I think the basic thought you don't want to get your head around is that the comment means Christ is the embodyment of the laws of God - the word meaning the scripture. Simple to get to really whether one believes it or not. But I understand your need for bloviation. Coming from guys trying to sell Corn producing Corn is speciation, .. it's less than surprising.

[Right Wing Professor]

I think the basic thought you don't want to get your head around is that the comment means Christ is the embodyment of the laws of God - the word meaning the scripture.

Thanks, Mr. non-Christian.

So how is a person an embodiment (sp!) of a law?

Figure out which of the examples I posted are dogs yet? You do know what a dog is, right?

[furball4paws]

"The INHERENT (please look up that word, Evos) argument of Darwin's hypothesis is that the species evolved from lower life forms."

If that were true there wouldn't be any "lower forms" around today.

[Californiajones]

Yeah, dialectical Agnosticism. Funny.

One of my papers as an undergrad was about the convergence of Marx Darwin Nietche Freud Jung in the same pre Azusa Street time period.

These "Scientists" comprised a fake intellectual juggernaut of unbelief that helped foster in the greatest murder of people in one century than in all the previous centuries before in all the wars ever fought.

More people died for the ideas of Marx than any other cause in the history of mankind.

Nazi deaths were but a blip on the screen compared to the Marxist slaughter. in the name of atheism.

Darwin's theory, while not directly tied to Marxism in any other way in which you stated -- "one thing they know for sure, it's NOT God" -- was just an erosion of faith in Christians who failed to be pro-actively intellectual and took apologetics as seriously as Paul tells us to.

Once you demean human life, it is much easier to murder.
Wonder how many Evolutionists are proLife?

[Californiajones]

""The INHERENT (please look up that word, Evos) argument of Darwin's hypothesis is that the species evolved from lower life forms."

If that were true there wouldn't be any "lower forms" around today.""

Well, I think Evos would say that the Evolutionary process works at different speeds according to random forces of weather, geography and the emotional state of mind of the Evos themselves.

[furball4paws]

Hey, a policeman is an embodiment (sp?) of the law. His body will come and get you if you're still taking that LSD.

[Dimensio]

If that were true there wouldn't be any "lower forms" around today.""

Why not?

[Dimensio]

Once you demean human life, it is much easier to murder.

Argument from the consequences predicated upon a strawman. Two logical fallacies in one claim. How utterly unsurprising.

[Dimensio]

Why not?

Oops. Disregard this. Wasn't used to CJ not italicizing comments to which he is replying.

[furball4paws]

"Well, I think Evos would say that the Evolutionary process works at different speeds according to random forces of weather, geography and the emotional state of mind of the Evos themselves."

This is an answer for what? Trilobites were highly evolved and very successful. Humans are highly evolved - their success is yet to be determined. Pseudomonas is highly evolved and very successful.

Does it bother you that humans are just another species in the grand scheme of things :)

[Californiajones]

Babe, what I'm trying to say is that the grandeur you are looking for in Evolution is literally in God's Word.

God's Word is the creative force in the universe; the power Evos ascribe to Evolution. The Word was not only Made Flesh, it is "alive and active, capable of searching out the true meanings and emotions"

As Napoleon said when cooped up on Corsica with only a Bible to keep him warm, he threw it across the room in fear one night saying "That book is alive!"

Indeed.

(Told you I was into metaphysics.)

[Dimensio]

God's Word is the creative force in the universe; the power Evos ascribe to Evolution

No one claims that evolution is "The creative force in the universe". It's simply a process by which diverse species emerge, nothing more.

If you don't understand what evolution is, what it encompasses and -- most importantly for you, apparently -- what it does not encompass, then you have no credibility whatsoever when speaking about it.

As Napoleon said when cooped up on Corsica with only a Bible to keep him warm, he threw it across the room in fear one night saying "That book is alive!"

Do you have a reference for this story?