Designed to deceive: Creation can't hold up to rigors of science

CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | 12 February 2006 | John Glennon

[Havoc]

Don't worry, there's plenty more fight where that came from.. which is what seems to have so many of you worried beyond merely the poll numbers. Only 6 percent of Bush supporters (those in power) actually believe an undiluted form of evolution story. 6 percent. 55 percent of Americans in general don't believe it at all. And only 13 percent believe it unadultered. The only way you get anywhere is among those who dilute it and may largely be saying variation counts for something - which doesn't really help evolution except disengenuously so. That is 27 percent of Americans.. The wishy washy "undecideds" as it were. If after 150 years your best numbers are in the undecided column, you're screwed.

[WildHorseCrash]

You guys think your credentials insulate you and you spit your credentials at those without them as though it were an epithet.

The education and experience of someone like Right Wing Professor means, in the real world, that he knows what he's talking about and that his opinions on the subject are worth paying attention to.

If someone has expertise in a specific area, it is useful to pay attention to that person when discussing that area. For example:

• If we want to know about biology and evolution, we ask someone like Right Wing Professor.

• If we want to know how to turn a motorcycle into a sci-fi dork-shrine, we'll ask someone like you.

[ml1954]

Some things never change.

[RunningWolf]

Havoc

What is this?

That towering intellengstsia of the evo ping list arrayed against you, and you with 2/3 your brain tied behind your back (damn uncomfortable isn’t?) and all they can do is have their little sidebar conversations about you, toss 'troll' out your way and try to provoke/troll you with their little demands like they own the place.

Wolf

[Havoc]

Hey, you guys are doing it to yourselves. I'm only emphasizing what you say and feeding it back to you largely.
You're so embarrassed in the end you shut up and leave or try to change the subject.

Go ahead, do what's embarrassing the others into silence and explain how Corn turning into Corn is speciation. I dare you.
I should beg you to do so. Or perhaps we should advertise for other quacks in the evo crowd outside of this thread to come in and splain it unawares so we can get the full comedic value...

[Lurking Libertarian]

And the validity of scientific theories is established by poll numbers?

[Havoc]

You forgot the part about the motorcycle man turning the evolutionists into mumbling, sputtering, step-and-fetchit morons by embarassing them with their own drivol. They even got one of their own to come onto the thread and tell us corn isn't a "species" after one of them tried to use Corn as an example of speciation. Perhaps If you didn't comport yourselves in a manner so easy to destroy on the merits, a motorcycle man couldn't do it. But, there it is...

[Right Wing Professor]

drivol

Is that a brand of motor-oil?

[ml1954]

If we want to know how to turn a motorcycle into a sci-fi dork-shrine, we'll ask someone like you.

ROFLOL.

[Havoc]

No, the validity of theories is established by proof - the which you have not established, thus leading to the poll numbers.

Hint: People largely believe in flight. It's been proven. They can go see an airplane. If they want to see evolution, by and large the best you can produce is excuses and sematics games - redefining terms, etc.

I wasn't shocked to see someone the other night cut free of macro-evolution completely claiming that it is a misnomer and that everything now happens through micro-evolution. Nor are we surprised that these guys offer Corn speciates into Corn arguments. If they had better, they'd present better. They have nothing, so they present what they have with all the fervor of glass is empty yet full charlatans.
It's a magic show and there's paper around the glass. It's full, trust us. BTW: full now means empty with the possibility of becoming not empty one day.

*snickering*

[Havoc]

Shhh. They think they're coy and getting away with it.

bahhhhhhh (fell out)

[Ichneumon]

Since I've run circles around these guys and made them all look like puds for the last day and a half or so

ROFL!!!!

I am reminded of the study which was published a few years ago which discovered that when people are incompetent at a task, they are also highly likely to be incompetent at recognizing the level of the their own incompetence.

This makes a lot of sense -- if they *could* recognize their shortcomings, they'd take steps to improve their performance and would not *remain* incompetent for long. It's only the clueless ones who think they're doing a fine job and thus never take steps to improve, who are left to continue to exhibit incompetence at the task.

I have noticed this same syndrome among countless anti-evolutionists, who are not only blissfully unaware of how poorly they're doing at logical arguments and scientific analysis, but they're also downright *proud* of their lack of knowledge and education on the topic, which they see as some sort of bizarre "strength" relative to those "experts" they disdain and ridicule.

As a result, trying to get an anti-evolutionist to read an educational link on the topic of biology, or crack open a textbook or journal on the subject, so as to come up to speed on the topic and/or become familiar with the actual research and evidence, is like trying to push a dead elephant uphill. It also explains why they haven't bothered to learn the first thing about the subject in all their years of life before arriving here to "lecture" the rest of us on it.

So yeah, Havoc, you're just doing a *great* job of "running rings around us", LOL!

[Right Wing Professor]

If we want to know how to turn a motorcycle into a sci-fi dork-shrine, we'll ask someone like you.

I wouldn't even take his advice on how to get a dog to pee on a lamppost.

[Thatcherite]

Once again, no creationist can be so mind-numbingly dullwitted a drunken troll that he doesn't qualify for the support of the cringing poodle.

[furball4paws]

Well - one more time before the "Don't feed the troll" sign goes on.

"Corn" is not a species.

Nobel Prize Laureate George Beadle convincingly showed that teosinte was the ancestor of Zea mays. i.e. speciation, by all scientific criteria. (Sorry, George, where ever you are in the Great Beyond to have sullied your name with Havoc. Please don't haunt me).

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"They even got one of their own to come onto the thread and tell us corn isn't a "species" after one of them tried to use Corn as an example of speciation."

*Corn* ISN'T a species. There ARE, though, a number of species of corn. Hint: learn some taxonomy.

[RunningWolf]

I don't know about that except I have given you Thatcherite as my favorite mind-numbingly dullwitted drunken troll plenty of support.

I laugh at all of your jokes and I really cant ever get angry with you. I know you are giving it your all 150% worth my dear.

Wolf

[Havoc]

A brand of motor oil, am I supposed to be suddenly circumspect and set aback - even challenged by your failing attempt at an insult. I presume that's what it was intended to be.

I am not impressed or challenged and attempts at ridicule from you will fail. I'm staying on point till you guys defend your nonsensical suppositions. Go ahead

Explain how Corn producing Corn is speciation. It's well established at this point that you can't defend it, thus your derision of me in place of it. If you had anything, you'd have long since produced it. You aren't coy, you aren't above it, and you aren't getting away with it.. no matter what manner of fits and attacks you pull.

heheheheh transparent as clear glass. Oh, do that John Belushi thing for us from Animal House.. please.. You know, the sneaking across the lawn thing.. Would be so appropriate..

[Ken H]

Don't worry, there's plenty more fight where that came from..

The GOP governor of Ohio and a GOP senator from PA apparently don't think so, as evidenced by their tossing ID overboard:

Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom

which is what seems to have so many of you worried beyond merely the poll numbers.

If ID is such a force to be reckoned with, how do you explain the complete thrashing that the incumbent pro-ID school board members received from pro-evolution challengers, in a county that went 64% for President Bush?

[Ichneumon]

Hey, you guys are doing it to yourselves. I'm only emphasizing what you say and feeding it back to you largely. You're so embarrassed in the end you shut up and leave or try to change the subject.

No, we just give up on trying to explain things to you simply enough that you finally stop misunderstanding and/or misrepresenting it.

Eventually we realize that this is a futile task and we leave you to your ignorance.

Don't mistake that for your having "won" the discussion by actual refutation. You can't "win" by being so persistently dense and/or dishonest that we decide you're a lost cause.