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Designed to deceive: Creation can't hold up to rigors of science
CONTRA COSTA TIMES ^ | 12 February 2006 | John Glennon

Posted on 02/12/2006 10:32:27 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: Right Wing Professor
I am familar with that.

I didn't know the acronymn.

I don't pretend to know something if I don't.

Your assumption that everyone should know about this is biased and wrong.

481 posted on 02/13/2006 2:48:36 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy; stands2reason; Thatcherite; Right Wing Professor; CarolinaGuitarman; shuckmaster; ...
Look how these clowns react when one injects some actual fun in to it. They are humourless and ignorant of the science they claim to champion. Dour sourpuss timid souls.

Back in high school, one guy in my circle of friends was always "joking", but his idea of humor always involved ridiculing, insulting, or belittling someone else. He kept accusing us of having "no sense of humor". He considered himself a great wit, but everyone else considered him a major asshole.

482 posted on 02/13/2006 2:51:18 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Right Wing Professor
Shared pseudogenes is not a big deal. Especially for an unnecessary enzyme.

It's a big deal to you because it was promoted as some sort of big finding relating to evolution by the subculture of religious evolutionites.

483 posted on 02/13/2006 2:52:50 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: bvw
as stated earlier:

In my observation, "common sense" is more often than not at best cultural tradition (or "received wisdom") rather than anything approaching independently acheived products of uncomplicated rationality or thought. Often enough, "common sense" is actually rather stupid.

so, as should have been clear before you asked: yes, there are concepts and notions which can be and are referred to as "common sense" - and these concepts and notions, when extended beyond the most mundane situations (good common sense: Don't stick your hand in a fire - odds are you'll get burned), are often quite erroneous (example of incorrect but REAL common sense: The sun moves around the Earth, based on observing that it rises and sets - an understandable error stemming from perspective and ignorance) when they are not outright cultural-bias nonsense (see previous examples).

484 posted on 02/13/2006 2:52:53 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Ichneumon
And that friend was you?

Who have I insulted today who did not begin with an insult on me?

485 posted on 02/13/2006 2:53:42 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Havoc

losing?
battle?

odd.


486 posted on 02/13/2006 2:54:50 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Havoc

the contents of your #308 is clear evidence of your lack of knowledge of and interest in the subject matter.


487 posted on 02/13/2006 2:56:32 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Havoc; Ichneumon
I noted specifically that I'm being fecetions

how refreshingly honest of you

488 posted on 02/13/2006 3:00:20 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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Lurking ...

489 posted on 02/13/2006 3:02:12 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
[This is a perfect example -- "LGLO" is rather dinosaur as far as understanding of comparative genomics. But because a number of years ago some prosyletite wrote up some tract with it as an example, that's about all anyone here knows about.]

Five minutes ago you didn't know what it was. Now you're pretending to have enough knowledge of it to claim it's old hat and passé. You can see, surely, why your credibility is, ahem, somewhat risible.

*That's* gonna leave a mark...

Also, lest we lose track of "tallhappy's greatest screwups" whenever he beats his chest about how he understands these topics far better than us mere mortals, let's not forget this great blast from the past where I caught him making *two* utterly bone-headed, totally elementary mistakes in the same sentence:

[Me, responding to tallhappy:]

I stand by my point-by-point examination of your anal nitpicking and its followup.

It was shortly after that when you went off the rails and tried to falsely and ludicrously claim that there were "only nine integrations" in a nine-patient gene-therapy study when in fact, there were TENS OF MILLIONS of treated cells (thus a similar magnitude of integrations) PER PATIENT, as anyone actually familiar with gene-therapy would know, and you also ludicrously claimed that the troublesome LMO2 integrants were at "the same site", when in fact they were on OPPOSITE SIDES of Exon1 of the gene, oriented in OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS, nearly FIVE THOUSAND BASEPAIRS apart.

In light of size of this amazing flub, it's *really* funny that you loftily proclaim, "I am completley correct in relaying the most detailed understanding [...] retroviral transduction and insertion". If so, why did you f*** it up so badly on such elementary points?

You're either incompetent or a liar, I don't care which. But neither option inspires confidence, and neither justifies your pathetic bluster:


490 posted on 02/13/2006 3:02:49 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: tallhappy
Shared pseudogenes is not a big deal.

If I wanted to deny their implications, I'd say that. That is, if I weren't a scientist.

Especially for an unnecessary enzyme.

Tell that to Bering's crew.

491 posted on 02/13/2006 3:03:25 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
If you were a biologist you'd know shared pseudogenes are common.

Join the genomic era. Stop living in the previous centuries.

492 posted on 02/13/2006 3:09:22 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Ichneumon
Itchy, you are wrong and don;t understand it.

See 453.

Just cause you read something written on TO a long time ago doesn't make it Gospel. To you it does, but you just don't understand biochemistry, virology or chromosomal structure nor are up to date on the literature and thinking.

No insult, just a nice comment.

493 posted on 02/13/2006 3:11:24 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: PatrickHenry

this thread is one for the ages.
entertaining from pre-dawn to post-dusk.


496 posted on 02/13/2006 3:17:02 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: wtp7
"I disagree with you. I bet my qualifications in science are as good or better than yours."

I don't give a rat's ass what your *qualifications* are. It's your argument that's junk.
497 posted on 02/13/2006 3:19:38 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: wtp7

"No one has proved that everything came naturally from nothing."

Evolution doesn't say it did.

"I have a record of straight A's in Science from grade school through college."

I'm sure this is supposed to mean something.


498 posted on 02/13/2006 3:21:51 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: wtp7

yanno, if there was no such thing as wikipedia and google, it'd be entertaining to test your claims of scientific acumen with a few pointed questions.


499 posted on 02/13/2006 3:22:44 PM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: tallhappy
Just cause you read something written on TO a long time ago doesn't make it Gospel. To you it does, but you just don't understand biochemistry, virology or chromosomal structure nor are up to date on the literature and thinking.

Wow, what a *lame* retort... My identification of your two incredibly bone-headed errors regarding the gene-therapy trial had nothing whatsoever to do with any material from Talk.Origins. It simply identifies two amazingly naive/ignorant errors you made, and documents that they are contradicted by a) the most basic and elementary knowledge of how gene therapy is done, and b) the contents of the journal articles themselves which deal with the gene-therapy trial you were making the bizarre claims about.

If this is the best "defense" you can muster, I don't know why you even try, unless you *want* to make yourself appear a pathetic and clumsily blustering buffoon.

500 posted on 02/13/2006 3:24:14 PM PST by Ichneumon
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