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What Are Creationists Afraid Of?
The New Individualist ^ | 1/2006 | Ed Hudgins

Posted on 01/26/2006 1:47:10 PM PST by jennyp

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Third, complexity does not imply “design.” One of Adam Smith’s most powerful insights, developed further by Friedrich Hayek, is that incredible complexity can emerge in society without a designer or planner, through “spontaneous order.” Hayek showed how in a free market the complex processes of producing and distributing goods and services to millions of individuals do not require socialist planners. Rather, individuals pursuing their own self-interest in a system governed by a few basic rules—property rights, voluntary exchange by contract—have produced all the vast riches of the Western world.

Many creationists who are on the political Right understand the logic of this insight with respect to economic complexity. Why, then, is it such a stretch for them to appreciate that the complexity we find in the physical world—the optic nerve, for example—can emerge over millions of years under the rule of natural laws that govern genetic mutations and the adaptability of life forms to changing environments? It is certainly curious that many conservative creationists do not appreciate that the same insights that show the futility of a state-designed economy also show the irrelevance of an “intelligently designed” universe.

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Evolution: A Communist Plot?

Yet another fear causes creationists to reject the findings of science.

Many early proponents of science and evolution were on the political Left. For example, the Humanist Manifesto of 1933 affirmed support for evolution and the scientific approach. But its article fourteen stated: “The humanists are firmly convinced that existing acquisitive and profit-motivated society has shown itself to be inadequate and that a radical change in methods, controls, and motives must be instituted. A socialized and cooperative economic order must be established to the end that the equitable distribution of the means of life be possible.”

Subsequent humanist manifestos in 1973 and 2000 went lighter on the explicit socialism but still endorsed, along with a critical approach to knowledge, the kind of welfare-state democracy and internationalism rejected by conservatives. The unfortunate historical association of science and socialism is based in part on the erroneous conviction that if humans can use scientific knowledge to design machines and technology, why not an entire economy?

Further, many supporters of evolution were or appeared to be value-relativists or subjectivists. For example, Clarence Darrow, who defended Scopes in the “monkey trial” eight decades ago, also defended Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb. These two young amoralists pictured themselves as supermen above conventional morality; they decided to commit the perfect crime and killed a fourteen-year-old boy. Darrow offered the jury the standard liberal excuses for the atrocity. He argued that the killers were under the influence of Nietzschean philosophy, and that to give them the death penalty would hurt their surviving families. “I am pleading for life, understanding, charity, kindness, and the infinite mercy that considers all,” he said. “I am pleading that we overcome cruelty with kindness and hatred with love.” This is the sort of abrogation of personal responsibility, denial of moral culpability, and rejection of the principle of justice that offends religious conservatives—in fact, every moral individual, religious or atheist.

In addition, nearly all agnostics and atheists accept the validity of evolution. Creationists, as religious fundamentalists, therefore see evolution and atheism tied together to destroy the basis of morality. For one thing, evolution seems to erase the distinction between humans and animals. Animals are driven by instincts; they are not responsible for their actions. So we don’t blame cats for killing mice, lions for killing antelope, or orca whales for killing seals. It’s what they do. They follow instincts to satisfy urges to eat and procreate. But if human beings evolved from lower animals, then we might be merely animals—and so there would be no basis for morality. In which case, anything goes.

To religious fundamentalists, then, agnostics and atheists must be value-relativists and subjectivists. Whether they accept evolution because they reject a belief in God, or reject a belief in God because they accept evolution, is immaterial: the two beliefs are associated, just as are creationism and theism. By this view, the only firm basis for morality is the divine edicts of a god.

This reflects the creationists’ fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of morality.

Morality from Man’s Nature

We humans are what we are today regardless of whether we evolved, were created, or were intelligently designed. We have certain characteristics that define our nature.

We are Homo sapiens. Unlike lower animals, we have a rational capacity, an ability to fully, conceptually understand the world around us. We are self-conscious. We are the animal that knows—and knows that he knows. We do not survive automatically, by instinct, but must exercise the virtue of rationality. We must think. We must discover how to acquire food—through hunting or planting—how to make shelters, how to invent medicines. And to acquire such knowledge, we must adopt a rational methodology: science.

Furthermore, our thinking does not occur automatically. We have free will and must choose to think, to focus our minds, to be honest rather than to evade facts that make us uncomfortable—evolution, for example—because reality is what it is, whether we like it or acknowledge it or not.

But we humans do not exercise our minds and our wills for mere physical survival. We have a capacity for a joy and flourishing far beyond the mere sensual pleasures experienced by lower animals. Such happiness comes from planning our long-term goals, challenging ourselves, calling on the best within us, and achieving those goals—whether we seek to nurture a business to profitability or a child to adulthood, whether we seek to create a poem or a business plan, whether we seek to design a building or to lay the bricks for its foundation.

But our most important creation is our moral character, the habits and attitudes that govern our actions. A good character helps us to be happy, a bad one guarantees us misery. And what guides us in creating such a character? What tells us how we should deal with our fellow humans?

A code of values, derived from our nature and requirements as rational, responsible creatures possessing free will.

We need not fear that with evolution, or without a god, there is no basis for ethics. There is an objective basis for ethics, but it does not reside in the heavens. It arises from our own human nature and its objective requirements.

Creationists and advocates of intelligent design come to their beliefs in part through honest errors and in part from evasions of facts and close-minded dogmatism. But we should appreciate that one of their motivations might be a proper rejection of value-relativism, and a mistaken belief that acceptance of divine revelation is the only moral alternative.

If we can demonstrate to them that the basis for ethics lies in our nature as rational, volitional creatures, then perhaps we can also reassure them that men can indeed have morality—yet never fear to use that wondrous capacity which allows us to understand our own origins, the world around us, and the moral nature within us.

Edward Hudgins is the Executive Director of The Objectivist Center.


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To: Senator Bedfellow

My point is a narrow one. In the case of birds, the hypothesis is that if the flight skill is not necessary for survival, it might consume energy unproductively, and might be selected against. I will tap into the clan gene pool on this one, to attempt to selfishly gain for the selfish gene, a competitive advantage, when the reposity of necessary section of the pool returns from Asia, where the reposity is leading, yup you guessed it, a birding tour.


461 posted on 01/26/2006 7:50:53 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

Then religion is the noble lie we feed to the savages to keep them from...well, savaging each other? We, the enlightened, can surely discuss things in such terms - how Straussian of us :) - but won't the religious be a bit dismayed at the idea?


462 posted on 01/26/2006 7:51:22 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: PatrickHenry
The irrational brigade has managed to toss your excellent thread into the smokey backroom.

Well I would imagine the smoky backroom is the closest category on FR to burning sulpherous pits of hell. ;-)

463 posted on 01/26/2006 7:51:55 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: jwalsh07
"Tha's the new definition after scientists decided to change it and set limits."

You can blame Galileo and Newton for that. It's not a new delimitation.
464 posted on 01/26/2006 7:52:01 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Torie
In the case of birds, the hypothesis is that if the flight skill is not necessary for survival, it might consume energy unproductively, and might be selected against.

Which is really quite a good hypothesis, in the end ;)

465 posted on 01/26/2006 7:52:57 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: Buggman

Pick the time that this thread will get moved to the SBR.

Sounds like fun.


466 posted on 01/26/2006 7:53:21 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Is that how you personally feel,...

It is not a matter of emotion or how I “feel.” Liberals are concerned with how something feels. Sell that stuff your shovelin' somewhere else...

467 posted on 01/26/2006 7:53:56 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: jwalsh07
Tha's the new definition after scientists decided to change it and set limits.

How can science be applied to the supernatural?
468 posted on 01/26/2006 7:54:44 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; Torie

Especially on islands, where flying can be dangerous with winds blowing you out to sea. Flightless insects (flies and such that had vestigial wings) are common on islands.


469 posted on 01/26/2006 7:55:33 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Maybe, but I have enunciated this point of view often on this site (sans you tenditious little spin on it), and nobody has come after me. It seems to have received a rather positive reception in fact. Maybe the religious are not quite as knuckle dragger as some have posited. The point I am making is that we all make a priori assumptions, or need to, and in that sense we all engage in that naughty little unscientific, non-objective in the narrow sense of that term, leaps of faith.

We are not as different from each other as both sides might wish to think.

470 posted on 01/26/2006 7:55:45 PM PST by Torie
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Interesting point.


471 posted on 01/26/2006 7:57:07 PM PST by Torie
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
The root of the word science is scire, Latin for "to know". So it was, so ever it shall be. Students of it can limit it to anything they want.

There is natural science, social science, applies science, enivronmental science, junk science. All kinds of science but the common denominator is a search for knowledge.

472 posted on 01/26/2006 7:58:07 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
"The root of the word science is scire, Latin for "to know". So it was, so ever it shall be. Students of it can limit it to anything they want."

But there are limits to what can be known. And natural science (what had been called Natural Philosophy), as it has been understood since Galileo and Newton, has been limited to those things that are observable and testable.
473 posted on 01/26/2006 8:02:40 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Is that your opinion, that you don't have to worry about rights, that raw power is all that matters?

C'mon, my man - you've been professing your atheism on these sorts of threads for a while now. Don't wilt away on me like a hothouse flower.

474 posted on 01/26/2006 8:02:48 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: jennyp
"What are creationists afraid of?"

1. God
2. Our wives
3. Keyser Soze

(OK, OK, spouses, fine, but 'wives' is funnier if you read it out loud...)

475 posted on 01/26/2006 8:03:15 PM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; Torie
Let's go the videotape.

Are the flyers/swimmers going extinct faster than the flightless birds or vice versa?

476 posted on 01/26/2006 8:05:03 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Well, I'd continue this, but as I said a few posts ago, I've an editing project that needs doing, and somehow putting it off to give logical responses to someone whose argument starts with a sheer ad hominem for the second time in a row (and not even an original one, just a, "You are too!" from your earlier post) just doesn't seem to be all that appealing.
477 posted on 01/26/2006 8:06:40 PM PST by Buggman (L'chaim b'Yeshua HaMashiach!)
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To: jwalsh07
"'All kinds of science but the common denominator is a search for knowledge."

The common distinguishing feature is that science requires the scientific method. The search for knowledge in general does not.

478 posted on 01/26/2006 8:07:09 PM PST by spunkets
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
But there are limits to what can be known.

The limits are unknowable while setting upper and lower limits necessarily limits what can be known.

479 posted on 01/26/2006 8:07:17 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Coyoteman
That's Stephen Biko's skull. Who? I don't understand your reference, and I don't care enough to google it.

I googled it. He was an anti-apartheid activist in South Africa in the 1970's. Appears he used non violent means.
In '77 the SA gestapo arrested him and held him in prison for 24 when he died in custody. Government said he died from a hunger strike, official autopsy concluded he died from brain lesion caused by blunt force to the head

The original poster was trying to make a joke, one in very bad taste at that.
shaking my head at the pig ignorance tinged with racism

480 posted on 01/26/2006 8:07:30 PM PST by Deadshot Drifter
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