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What Are Creationists Afraid Of?
The New Individualist ^ | 1/2006 | Ed Hudgins

Posted on 01/26/2006 1:47:10 PM PST by jennyp

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Third, complexity does not imply “design.” One of Adam Smith’s most powerful insights, developed further by Friedrich Hayek, is that incredible complexity can emerge in society without a designer or planner, through “spontaneous order.” Hayek showed how in a free market the complex processes of producing and distributing goods and services to millions of individuals do not require socialist planners. Rather, individuals pursuing their own self-interest in a system governed by a few basic rules—property rights, voluntary exchange by contract—have produced all the vast riches of the Western world.

Many creationists who are on the political Right understand the logic of this insight with respect to economic complexity. Why, then, is it such a stretch for them to appreciate that the complexity we find in the physical world—the optic nerve, for example—can emerge over millions of years under the rule of natural laws that govern genetic mutations and the adaptability of life forms to changing environments? It is certainly curious that many conservative creationists do not appreciate that the same insights that show the futility of a state-designed economy also show the irrelevance of an “intelligently designed” universe.

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Evolution: A Communist Plot?

Yet another fear causes creationists to reject the findings of science.

Many early proponents of science and evolution were on the political Left. For example, the Humanist Manifesto of 1933 affirmed support for evolution and the scientific approach. But its article fourteen stated: “The humanists are firmly convinced that existing acquisitive and profit-motivated society has shown itself to be inadequate and that a radical change in methods, controls, and motives must be instituted. A socialized and cooperative economic order must be established to the end that the equitable distribution of the means of life be possible.”

Subsequent humanist manifestos in 1973 and 2000 went lighter on the explicit socialism but still endorsed, along with a critical approach to knowledge, the kind of welfare-state democracy and internationalism rejected by conservatives. The unfortunate historical association of science and socialism is based in part on the erroneous conviction that if humans can use scientific knowledge to design machines and technology, why not an entire economy?

Further, many supporters of evolution were or appeared to be value-relativists or subjectivists. For example, Clarence Darrow, who defended Scopes in the “monkey trial” eight decades ago, also defended Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb. These two young amoralists pictured themselves as supermen above conventional morality; they decided to commit the perfect crime and killed a fourteen-year-old boy. Darrow offered the jury the standard liberal excuses for the atrocity. He argued that the killers were under the influence of Nietzschean philosophy, and that to give them the death penalty would hurt their surviving families. “I am pleading for life, understanding, charity, kindness, and the infinite mercy that considers all,” he said. “I am pleading that we overcome cruelty with kindness and hatred with love.” This is the sort of abrogation of personal responsibility, denial of moral culpability, and rejection of the principle of justice that offends religious conservatives—in fact, every moral individual, religious or atheist.

In addition, nearly all agnostics and atheists accept the validity of evolution. Creationists, as religious fundamentalists, therefore see evolution and atheism tied together to destroy the basis of morality. For one thing, evolution seems to erase the distinction between humans and animals. Animals are driven by instincts; they are not responsible for their actions. So we don’t blame cats for killing mice, lions for killing antelope, or orca whales for killing seals. It’s what they do. They follow instincts to satisfy urges to eat and procreate. But if human beings evolved from lower animals, then we might be merely animals—and so there would be no basis for morality. In which case, anything goes.

To religious fundamentalists, then, agnostics and atheists must be value-relativists and subjectivists. Whether they accept evolution because they reject a belief in God, or reject a belief in God because they accept evolution, is immaterial: the two beliefs are associated, just as are creationism and theism. By this view, the only firm basis for morality is the divine edicts of a god.

This reflects the creationists’ fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of morality.

Morality from Man’s Nature

We humans are what we are today regardless of whether we evolved, were created, or were intelligently designed. We have certain characteristics that define our nature.

We are Homo sapiens. Unlike lower animals, we have a rational capacity, an ability to fully, conceptually understand the world around us. We are self-conscious. We are the animal that knows—and knows that he knows. We do not survive automatically, by instinct, but must exercise the virtue of rationality. We must think. We must discover how to acquire food—through hunting or planting—how to make shelters, how to invent medicines. And to acquire such knowledge, we must adopt a rational methodology: science.

Furthermore, our thinking does not occur automatically. We have free will and must choose to think, to focus our minds, to be honest rather than to evade facts that make us uncomfortable—evolution, for example—because reality is what it is, whether we like it or acknowledge it or not.

But we humans do not exercise our minds and our wills for mere physical survival. We have a capacity for a joy and flourishing far beyond the mere sensual pleasures experienced by lower animals. Such happiness comes from planning our long-term goals, challenging ourselves, calling on the best within us, and achieving those goals—whether we seek to nurture a business to profitability or a child to adulthood, whether we seek to create a poem or a business plan, whether we seek to design a building or to lay the bricks for its foundation.

But our most important creation is our moral character, the habits and attitudes that govern our actions. A good character helps us to be happy, a bad one guarantees us misery. And what guides us in creating such a character? What tells us how we should deal with our fellow humans?

A code of values, derived from our nature and requirements as rational, responsible creatures possessing free will.

We need not fear that with evolution, or without a god, there is no basis for ethics. There is an objective basis for ethics, but it does not reside in the heavens. It arises from our own human nature and its objective requirements.

Creationists and advocates of intelligent design come to their beliefs in part through honest errors and in part from evasions of facts and close-minded dogmatism. But we should appreciate that one of their motivations might be a proper rejection of value-relativism, and a mistaken belief that acceptance of divine revelation is the only moral alternative.

If we can demonstrate to them that the basis for ethics lies in our nature as rational, volitional creatures, then perhaps we can also reassure them that men can indeed have morality—yet never fear to use that wondrous capacity which allows us to understand our own origins, the world around us, and the moral nature within us.

Edward Hudgins is the Executive Director of The Objectivist Center.


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To: Dimensio
I guess when you don't have a rational argument to make, spewing a load of insults about your opponent -- as you have done -- is always a good way to let everyone know it.

It's only logical that I post in terms that followers of the hateful Ayn Rand witch cult understand.

201 posted on 01/26/2006 3:23:54 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
That's Stephen Biko's skull.

Who? I don't understand your reference, and I don't care enough to google it.

202 posted on 01/26/2006 3:23:58 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: ShadowAce
Ahhh--so evolution only makes predictions about what happened in the past, huh?

No, it makes predictions about things that will be found in a study of the past. It can also make predictions regarding future events in populations of organisms on a small scale when variables such as environmental change are not infinitely diverse. Since evolution isn't about how environments change, it can't predict environmental changes. However, environmental changes do affect how populations evolve, thus evolution cannot make predictions about how populations evolve unless the environmental changes that will occur are known beforehand.

OK, then biblical creationism has also made correct "predictions" about the past in terms of describing cities and peoples that (until recently) science thought were only myths.

Biblical Creationism fails as science because it appeals to the supernatural.

No, it's not.

Repeating this claim does not make it true. If you can demonstrate that you actually understand how science operates, then I'll be willing to listen to an argument from you on why evolution is not science. Thus far, however, you are attempting to claim that a supernaturally-based story is science, and that really makes me doubt your credentials.

You've given examples of evidence, which can be interpreted in several ways.

No, I've given you statements that, if found to be false, would show that evolution could not have occured.

iven that you said ...it is impossible to make such a prediction., I would say that without that ability to make predictions, evolution is not science.

I said that it was impossible to make a specific type of prediction. I did not say that it is impossible to make predictions at all, and you are a liar for claiming that I said as much.
203 posted on 01/26/2006 3:24:07 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ShadowAce
Ahhh--so evolution only makes predictions about what happened in the past, huh? You can't use it to make predictions about what will happen in the future?

False. Just because things happened in the past, it doesn't mean that you cannot predict what evidence you'll find of those events. Evolution has made many "before the fact" predictions of observations. The nature of the entire ERV evidence was predicted before any genomes had been sequenced and once the genomes were sequenced they beautifully matched the evolutionary predictions.

204 posted on 01/26/2006 3:24:18 PM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Just admit that you have no rational arguments against the theory of evolution. Your ranting tantrum just looks desperate and pathetic.


205 posted on 01/26/2006 3:24:44 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: jwalsh07
What advantage do birds that fish for a living get from being flightless?

Improved swimming ability is an instantly obvious possibility.

206 posted on 01/26/2006 3:25:27 PM PST by Thatcherite (More abrasive blackguard than SeaLion or ModernMan)
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To: jw777
the point is, that evolution should not be the sole presentation.

What other scientific explanations should be presented?
207 posted on 01/26/2006 3:25:35 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
Was that why you lied and called them Jew-hating Communists?
208 posted on 01/26/2006 3:25:45 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: parsifal
From reading your posts on this subject I might just have to admit that there is one little amendment I'd make to the Bible.

Instead of Tower of Babel I think Tower of Parsy lends an equally confusing air.

jla, the not so broad-minded


Postscript:
I believe the erudite, and if I may say, mighty attractive, Tammy Bruce even acknowledges the wisdom of the Good Book.

209 posted on 01/26/2006 3:25:55 PM PST by jla
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To: TChris
It is relevant because the God which is the target of evolution is the Creator.

Evolution says nothing whatsoever about any "God". As such, "God" cannot possibly be a "target" of the theory.
210 posted on 01/26/2006 3:26:28 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: ThinkDifferent
The existence of God is neither necessary nor sufficient for a moral code.

I never said it was. My point was that believing in a moral code requires no less faith than believing in God.

211 posted on 01/26/2006 3:27:22 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Dimensio; ShadowAce

I'm going to retract my accusation of "liar" because it was extreme and presumptious. I apologize for making it.


212 posted on 01/26/2006 3:27:52 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Was that why you lied and called them Jew-hating Communists?

I'm torn between just stupid and trolling...you think he was trolling?

213 posted on 01/26/2006 3:28:41 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Dimensio
Moral codes are arbitrary things.

Without God, yes. With God, no.

I see nothing logically inconsistent with me not committing mass murder.

But without faith in something, there would be no logical reason for you not to do it should you, like Saddam Hussein or Mao Zedong or Stalin, find yourself in a position where mass murder would benefit you.

214 posted on 01/26/2006 3:30:50 PM PST by curiosity
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To: jennyp
As an ex-Evolutionist turned Creationist I'm not afraid of anything as much as I'm afraid FOR those who reject God and His Word.
216 posted on 01/26/2006 3:31:51 PM PST by Jorge
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To: xzins; jennyp
You're right xzins. Markets, while they may "evolve" in response to economic factors, are not set up without intricate and detailed intelligent design.

The complex process for producing and distributing goods does not occur in the absence of detailed and specific planning. Logistics is an extemely complicated process and if the author is claiming that something as complicated as production and logistical delivery of products and services occurs without any intelligent design, then the author is as stupid as the amoebas the he somehow thinks are smart.

217 posted on 01/26/2006 3:32:30 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: TChris

"If you think this outcome requires no intelligence, why don't growing, wealthy economies spring up from schools of fish, or swarms of bees?"

This is a good point. Hayek stated that the "extended order" arose without the need for one person to know everything, and argued [convincingly, IMO] that no one person COULD know everything, and any system based on central "rational planning" was therefore doomed to fail. However, he did not argue that the "extended order" arose out of circumstances where no one knew anything.


218 posted on 01/26/2006 3:33:19 PM PST by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: Thatcherite

Birds use their legs to swim, don't they? They tuck their wings for streamlining when they dive.


219 posted on 01/26/2006 3:34:29 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Strategerist
Creationists are the one group on FR that can be counted on to flat-out lie on a routine basis. It's an accurate observation.

Right. And your definition of a "lie" is anything that disagrees with your BS propaganda.

Give us all a break.

220 posted on 01/26/2006 3:34:43 PM PST by Jorge
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